What is year one pay for FO's?

Based on the fact that these rates are nearly identical to the previous proposal, I’d wager $56-ish ($55.95 was last proposal).

I lived the current contract LTD (or more accurately denial of LTD) nightmare for an extended period of time. I'm aware.

And I can’t imagine what that must have been like so you know how valuable that provision is.

I can’t make any excuses for the sub industry pay the weak retro and the lack of profit sharing because Spirit is getting a steal, but we are carrying huge individual risks everyday with our Ltd and a huge collective risk in scope. These things ultimately cost us money in this deal I’m sure as Management was able to use that leverage

Print it on toilet paper and throw it up on a tree outside of corporate:

A friend of mine sent it to me. My thoughts are you should vote it down for:

A. You retained average day instead of getting min day or average calendar day that now seams standard.
B. You should get 15% 401k DOS.
C. Rates are ok but should be close to 260 DOS.
D. PBS should be off the table or the company should offer a lot more for it. Once you buy it its yours for life.

NK is profitable. Never settle for the first offer. By voting it down you have nothing to lose and everything to gain as they WILL come back to the table and sweeten the deal. Just my 2 cents. Having watched APA **** things up for 25 odd years its always up to the pilots to hold the line.
Good luck.

All valid and 1st year pay is still unknown. I don’t want to fly with idiots.

It doesn’t cost nothing to vote it down though. It costs another year at current pay and the risk of medical out or a massive codesharing scheme. That means the next offer you have to make what you lost in the mean time plus more otherwise it’s a wash. Also you push out the next amendable date another year which is also a big deal

Fair enough. I was a bit optimistic this morning when I heard we had an AIP and was hoping that it would be something that would allow me to put my "moving on" aspirations on hold but after seeing the details I'm disappointed in myself for expecting to get anything but a turd from Spirit. Guess we'll just have to be content to remain an airline of choice for the "at least I'm not at a regional anymore" crowd for the time being. Or forever. Just my $0.02. YMMV.

Min day is not standard. Alaska, AA, FedEx and JetBlue do not have min day. Delta, Hawaiian, SWA and united do..

Wonder how they really plan to compete with the big 6 once hiring really ramps to full scale everywhere.