Only in America can you be at poverty level and still have a TV and a phone and a place to live. If people are responsible with their money, they'll be fine. I went through 2 bankrupt now defunct airlines, a corporate pilot layoff, and 6 years as a CFI and I am doing just fine. It's all personal responsibility. When I couldn't find work as a pilot, I dug ditches for the water company. I pumped gas. I fried burgers....whatever I had to do I did it and was sparing with what I spent. Anyone can do it. Everyone wants to blame someone else for their own situation and expect someone else to bail them out of it too.
Aviation is no different. If everyone acted and spent responsibly they'd see that they have only themselves to blame. Of course there are exceptions but I'm sick of people wanting to turn us into another country, If its so awesome somewhere else, then GO somewhere else.
Now, back to our regular program.

He was talking about bankrupting people to give them medical care.

Btw most places with universal healthcare spend less per capita than we do in the US. Why? It’s not a profit center for hospitals and insurance companies.

Anyway, the topic is the company not providing health insurance to new hires for 90 day. What’s the point of that, really? It’s pretty unethical imo.

We don't need to "turn into another country", we just need to evolve without destroying ourselves.

Our stories sound familiar, but why should others have to live it? Why wear it like some sort if medal, it's just life, let's learn from it.



Cheers

That's my point. Learn from others and plan/live accordingly rather than expect someone else to pay for it all...and people like you and me would be the ones to have to do that because we "made the big time" and are the ones demonized.
You know, I love The Champ, and especially one of his sayings: "Plan your work, and work your plan". Too bad he can't make a better grill:)

Just curios if training pay was something addressed in the new agreement? I would imagine that being pretty important to attract people over aside from a new payscale.

Honestly doubt it. I would think negotiating leverage is better spent on other areas, besides the 2 months of training.

I personally would rather see that one go to increased first year pay, to help our pilots after they pass training.

YGBSM. Minimal negotiating capital would be required to improve Traing pay and it would benefit both Pilots & Company. Same goes for Health Insurance on Day 1 of employment.

There shouldn’t even be training pay. Min monthly guarantee from day one with health insurance, period

Exactly right!!

Is the $1000/mo and per diem still holding true?