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There most likely will never be a better negotiating environment than this in your career.
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Originally Posted by Ed Force One
(Post 2515851)
They lost any sort of "Employee Buy-In" just by the way they've treated these negotiations.
They insulted us verbally. Then they insulted us through action by no-showing negotiations. Then they sued us. And then they managed our expectations down through extreme lowballing that they knew would stall the process. Are we just supposed to forget all about the past 3 years of gaslighting, which they pulled off in textbook fashion, by the way, and go back to High Fives and Free Smiles? I was proud to work for Spirit when I was hired. They made me feel like I was a part of something special, like "The Little Airline That Could." They could pay me Delta 777 +1, but it won't make me forget how we were treated the last 3 years. This! Everyone seems to have forgotten how crappy we were treated once they dangle a few dollars at us and don’t forget the “quid” Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
If you've only been treated poorly by management here for 3 years, you've only been here 3 years.
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Originally Posted by FlyGuy2002
(Post 2515789)
gonna be an interesting Few weeks! the terd crowd, the dooms dayers, the delta plus 1% crowd, are gonna need some heartburn meds the next 30 days.. But if the details aren't total garbage, I'm looking forward to a nice raise on March 1.. Im even betting the sun rises that day too
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Originally Posted by FlyGuy2002
(Post 2515825)
Investors will appreciate some labor peace.. however, adding lets say $90,000 per pilot (bonus, salary, LTD premiums, social security) for 1800 pilots is $162 million. or roughly 61% of ALL of 2016s yearly profits..Or roughly 17% of the total current cash on hand.. don't be surprised if earnings takes a huge hit. Revenues will have to rise. The tax cut offsets some, but its just a dent compared to the cost of the contract. Thats the cost of doing business these days. CASM will greatly increase .. The stock could be volatile in the short term
With the new tax bill I’ll be surprised if they take any hit at all from this contract!! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
I gues ALPA has made up everyone's mind to vote for this TA. If you read the email about midway thru it says we all should vote to approve this TA. Why even read it or go to a roadshow, ALPA knows best and has made your decision for you. They also told us to stop wearing the RED lanyards, does this mean we should go back to wearing the GREEN "Low Tier" ones since were about to sign a LOW TIER TA. Great.
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Originally Posted by groundspoiler
(Post 2516016)
I gues ALPA has made up everyone's mind to vote for this TA. If you read the email about midway thru it says we all should vote to approve this TA. Why even read it or go to a roadshow, ALPA knows best and has made your decision for you. They also told us to stop wearing the RED lanyards, does this mean we should go back to wearing the GREEN "Low Tier" ones since were about to sign a LOW TIER TA. Great.
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Originally Posted by groundspoiler
(Post 2516016)
I gues ALPA has made up everyone's mind to vote for this TA. If you read the email about midway thru it says we all should vote to approve this TA. Why even read it or go to a roadshow, ALPA knows best and has made your decision for you. They also told us to stop wearing the RED lanyards, does this mean we should go back to wearing the GREEN "Low Tier" ones since were about to sign a LOW TIER TA. Great.
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Originally Posted by FlyGuy2002
(Post 2515825)
Investors will appreciate some labor peace.. however, adding lets say $90,000 per pilot (bonus, salary, LTD premiums, social security) for 1800 pilots is $162 million. or roughly 61% of ALL of 2016s yearly profits..Or roughly 17% of the total current cash on hand.. don't be surprised if earnings takes a huge hit. Revenues will have to rise. The tax cut offsets some, but its just a dent compared to the cost of the contract. Thats the cost of doing business these days. CASM will greatly increase .. The stock could be volatile in the short term
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Originally Posted by astral
(Post 2515941)
How long are you planning on staying at NK?
Aside from pride and perceived self worth, if you want to convince people, show them the calculations you're basing your vote on. We managed to add (and give away work rules) 56 million or roughly 5000 per YEAR per pilot over the last 6 months. At my seniority level and under the current TA(bullet points), I'll be losing 6000 a MONTH. Not only money but risking potential scope and LTD (should they be acceptable). So, how much do you think we can realistically achieve? Don't forget to acknowledge the risks associated. You have to paint the whole picture if you want people to follow. |
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