I'm hearing more yes than no, but the yes people are not thrilled but are gaining 50-70% raises on average. I think section 25 is being called doomsday when it is not. The yes people are being silent on here, just like Trump voters. Guess who won?

Here you are. :D
If Trump supporters were embarrassed to admit it, there may have been a reason for it.
This could only pass, if folks do not read it and go for the $$ while applying elsewhere.

As an F9 guy a lot of us were jealous after we heard about the aip, but after seeing that slap in the face TA we all hope you guys can hold the line and get the TA you deserve. Good luck!

Thanks, best of luck to you too.
This will show who our pilot group really is.

Ask one of the many new junior Envoy CAs about obscure details buried in a contract being blown out of proportion. I agree with a lot of these “No” guys. Stay strong and make your airline a place worth coming to/staying.

Yeah you just have to “buy up the LTD” so you can get it to industry standard. There is no limit on what the company can charge for that “Buy up” either. Wonder how much more that’s gonna cost us.


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I'm a yes vote. I'm not proud of this TA, but I never expected to be. This TA gets me/us:

1) More money (though nothing to brag about)

2) Real LTD compared to what we have

3) A DC retirement

4) Intact healthcare which was already pretty good

5) Maintains some work rules like red/green

6) Some scope improvements though not airtight like SWA

I'm not going to vote No because this group hasn't shown unity, barely votes in union elections, rarely volunteers to do anything that isn't self serving and shows no sign of changing. I'm not going to risk these gains so the rest of you can cry about section 25. I agree that losing reserve drops is bad but I'm going to lock in gains and move on. I have little to no confidence that this pilot group can do any better. Brutally honest.

Yeah really, there is no fng Unity. Guys bending over backwards for MUP, saving the day at all costs and now all of a sudden you feel disrespected?


Hypocrisy at its finest

I think the DFWLEC guy got it right.

I will probably vote Yes

I wanted to believe Juri when he said this place would be "the next Southwest", but unfortunately that's just not gonna happen. This isn't a legacy level contract because Spirit isn't a top tier carrier, however bad we may want it to be. This isn't a secret. The mediator, our management, other pilots, our passengers, and even our friends and family all know this. That's no reflection on us as individuals or pilots, but the reality of this company's position in the airline industry. Are we really that surprised that we didn't get a cut and paste of Delta's contract?

I understand the argument that we fly the same aircraft on the same routes and we tried that line, unfortunately no one cared.

Section 25 is terrible.
No reserve drops is a serious loss as well.

However, my biggest priorities in this negotiation were improved scope, reasonable ltd, compensation, and dc retirement. None of this stuff is industry leading, but it's all in this deal.

We can drag this out and keep trying to convince everyone we are United, or take a nice raise now along with improved benefits and move on. If we vote no, I don't see us getting back the monetary difference no matter how long a new offer takes.

If this passes, yes we are going to take a beating during irops but we will be making good money at the same time. At the end of the day I work here for pay, not for the great overnights. And no matter how good a contract we get, not all the Delta pilots are going to nod at you in the hallway.

I will vote what is best for my family, and will respect everyone else whatever they decide.

Problem is you’re not even getting the pay. Jetblue not Delta makes this now with better work rules in some cases and profit sharing. They’re negotiating raises and work rule improvements (and scope I hope). You will be stuck with this for 8+ years. I was actually ready to accept that for rock solid scope to insure I’ll have a job. We didn’t even get that. You may not think you’re Delta (I do) but you don’t even think you’re as deserving as Jetblue (we could’ve negotiated a me too and didn’t). Sad