Originally Posted by SourGrapes (Post 2519747)

predicktion-----reverse the yes/no percentages and that will the vote outcome

Originally Posted by NKSpilot (Post 2519744)

If I were Spirit management
How happy I would be
If this TA got voted down
And extended a year or three.

Originally Posted by falcon2000aj (Post 2519423)

Rescheduling- So after they exhaust the reserves, and the X/Y list you might get rescheduled with pay? That may happen once or twice a year!!

Originally Posted by Lobaeux (Post 2519773)

Be very careful when thinking this, the wording of the contract doesn’t support it. The key is the “...prevent flight cancellations or delay.” and “The intent...”. It’s going to be very tough to argue the intent was there to bypass reserves when Ops is looking at a delay and the Reserve is a three hour callout. The minimal amount of rescheduling compensation isn’t enough to give up the sanctity of your schedule.

Originally Posted by DFWLECNOW (Post 2519339)

I'm a yes vote. I'm not proud of this TA, but I never expected to be. This TA gets me/us:

1) More money (though nothing to brag about)

2) Real LTD compared to what we have

3) A DC retirement

4) Intact healthcare which was already pretty good

5) Maintains some work rules like red/green

6) Some scope improvements though not airtight like SWA

I'm not going to vote No because this group hasn't shown unity, barely votes in union elections, rarely volunteers to do anything that isn't self serving and shows no sign of changing. I'm not going to risk these gains so the rest of you can cry about section 25. I agree that losing reserve drops is bad but I'm going to lock in gains and move on. I have little to no confidence that this pilot group can do any better. Brutally honest.

Originally Posted by NKSpilot (Post 2519644)

How do you figure Jetblue makes this now? Our TA has higher rates than what I can see on APC posted for JB. Especially when you include the 321 override.

As far a negotiating a me too clause, any me too clause is highly unlikely to be agreed upon (nonstarter from management) because it makes their cost increase an unlimited risk. United is certainly the exception to the norm. As has been said, you can negotiate for anything but you need to get them to agree to it, thats the hard part.

Of course we all WANT more but it doesnt matter what we want, reality is what it is. Denying reality will get us nowhere. Nobody wants to say this during negotiations. We have to puff ourselves up for the fight and at least act like we are in a position of power. That time is gone and passed. Now we need to do what is best for us considering where we are now.

Originally Posted by ExiT (Post 2519402)

I think the DFWLEC guy got it right.

I will probably vote Yes

I wanted to believe Juri when he said this place would be "the next Southwest", but unfortunately that's just not gonna happen. This isn't a legacy level contract because Spirit isn't a top tier carrier, however bad we may want it to be. This isn't a secret. The mediator, our management, other pilots, our passengers, and even our friends and family all know this. That's no reflection on us as individuals or pilots, but the reality of this company's position in the airline industry. Are we really that surprised that we didn't get a cut and paste of Delta's contract?

I understand the argument that we fly the same aircraft on the same routes and we tried that line, unfortunately no one cared.

Section 25 is terrible.
No reserve drops is a serious loss as well.

However, my biggest priorities in this negotiation were improved scope, reasonable ltd, compensation, and dc retirement. None of this stuff is industry leading, but it's all in this deal.

We can drag this out and keep trying to convince everyone we are United, or take a nice raise now along with improved benefits and move on. If we vote no, I don't see us getting back the monetary difference no matter how long a new offer takes.

If this passes, yes we are going to take a beating during irops but we will be making good money at the same time. At the end of the day I work here for pay, not for the great overnights. And no matter how good a contract we get, not all the Delta pilots are going to nod at you in the hallway.

I will vote what is best for my family, and will respect everyone else whatever they decide.

Originally Posted by NKSMCOTAKEOVER (Post 2519592)

Man O man I really hope this online poll is representative of what the group is feeling.

I converted one college to a No vote, thankfully. He kept fixating on the pay rates. People are blinded by $$$.

Originally Posted by NKSMCOTAKEOVER (Post 2519865)

Spelling correction: Colleague

Originally Posted by astral (Post 2519156)

I am a low to middle seniority CA and after slide, can easily get 20-21 days off while using only 7 VAC days.
No chance of that anymore, my 7 day VAC is worthless.
If I have to PAY to get above $5K in LTD it's NOT a benefit, as I'm paying for it!
You may like being a slave to CS, not me, Rescheduling is a huge concession!