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02-11-2018, 10:10 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by BnthrDnTht
Voted NO:
- Been here 19 years ... TA now makes me a 12yr employee. Classic move in corporate America ... would love to fire all the senior experience pay grades and hire a bunch of 3yr upgrades but cannot ...
- Been here 19 years ... TA now makes me a 12yr employee. Classic move in corporate America ... would love to fire all the senior experience pay grades and hire a bunch of 3yr upgrades but cannot ...
02-12-2018, 02:28 AM
#24
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Originally Posted by BnthrDnTht
Voted NO:
- Standard work rules, NON-STANDARD PAY!
- Biggest Gripe after LOSING QUALITY-OF-LIFE CONTROLS! ... Is lack of RECOGNITION FOR YEARS OF SERVICE!
- Been here 19 years ... TA now makes me a 12yr employee. Classic move in corporate America ... would love to fire all the senior experience pay grades and hire a bunch of 3yr upgrades but cannot ...
- So the next best option is to demote them!
And yet feel "good" cause your getting your NMB approved "pay raise".
- So I'm a 19 year LTC in the AF and have done my dues (most of them sh**ty and earned my respect. Few years to retirement or promotion. OPTEMPO bad but budget GREAT! ... biggest EVER! Sorry Colonel ... we are going to have to reduce your pay to a senior Capt or junior Major ... but hey ... you still got your Rank!!
Not-to-Worry, all us Generals are still are getting all of our bonuses and beyond "god" recognition pay for holding down the forts.
- A yes vote ... low tier, low pay and LOW RESPECT for at least eight more years!
WE CAN DO BETTER!
- Standard work rules, NON-STANDARD PAY!
- Biggest Gripe after LOSING QUALITY-OF-LIFE CONTROLS! ... Is lack of RECOGNITION FOR YEARS OF SERVICE!
- Been here 19 years ... TA now makes me a 12yr employee. Classic move in corporate America ... would love to fire all the senior experience pay grades and hire a bunch of 3yr upgrades but cannot ...
- So the next best option is to demote them!
And yet feel "good" cause your getting your NMB approved "pay raise".
- So I'm a 19 year LTC in the AF and have done my dues (most of them sh**ty and earned my respect. Few years to retirement or promotion. OPTEMPO bad but budget GREAT! ... biggest EVER! Sorry Colonel ... we are going to have to reduce your pay to a senior Capt or junior Major ... but hey ... you still got your Rank!!
Not-to-Worry, all us Generals are still are getting all of our bonuses and beyond "god" recognition pay for holding down the forts.
- A yes vote ... low tier, low pay and LOW RESPECT for at least eight more years!
WE CAN DO BETTER!
02-12-2018, 03:02 AM
#25
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Joined APC: Nov 2006
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 765
Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris
LMAO I still some of what you are smoking man!
02-12-2018, 03:42 AM
#26
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Posts: 312
Originally Posted by flyguyniner11
The company has said they will NOT negotiate without the NMB. So yes. It will be a long time to get another deal if this gets voted down. I hope all the no voters realize this and are comfortable with dealing our next TA something like 2 years.
All a part of the game. Company can say that and turn around to do the exact opposite. They did not sign a contract which tied them to that statement so they don't have to live by it.
Purpose of why they would state that? For the exact reason that you posted, make you think you won't get sh** for years forcing your decision to vote yes.
When sh** hits the fan for company, just watch them run back quickly, especially for this summer (3- 4 months away).
Just focus on if the TA makes sense for you, not on what management or NMB claims. Else you'll vote in fear.
02-12-2018, 03:49 AM
#27
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Originally Posted by MGMTiswatchingU
All a part of the game. Company can say that and turn around to do the exact opposite. They did not sign a contract which tied them to that statement so they don't have to live by it.
Purpose of why they would state that? For the exact reason that you posted, make you think you won't get sh** for years forcing your decision to vote yes.
When **** hits the fan for company, just watch them run back quickly, especially for this summer (3- 4 months away).
Purpose of why they would state that? For the exact reason that you posted, make you think you won't get sh** for years forcing your decision to vote yes.
When **** hits the fan for company, just watch them run back quickly, especially for this summer (3- 4 months away).
02-12-2018, 03:51 AM
#28
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Posts: 312
Originally Posted by flyguyniner11
You could be right. Possibly, but they didn’t come running back to the table after September. It took the NMB to get them back. And if we do go back to the table, the company could ask for some things back that they weren’t too thrilled with either. There is a give and take. It seems like all the NO warriors think we will just get everything we hope for if it gets voted down. The reality is that it could go either way, it’s a negotiation, give and take.
So the real question is, based on what's in this TA (concessions vs pay and QOL), can you live with it for 7-8 yrs?
02-12-2018, 04:00 AM
#29
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Posts: 389
Originally Posted by flyguyniner11
The company has said they will NOT negotiate without the NMB. So yes. It will be a long time to get another deal if this gets voted down. I hope all the no voters realize this and are comfortable with dealing our next TA something like 2 years.
02-12-2018, 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by flyguyniner11
The company has said they will NOT negotiate without the NMB. So yes. It will be a long time to get another deal if this gets voted down. I hope all the no voters realize this and are comfortable with dealing our next TA something like 2 years.
If you believe the NC, they are all of one mind that we wouldn't get much more by turning this down, we could wait a looooong time, and may have to give up more.
Some guys are upset about losing transition, or checkerboard reserve, or other things. Even if we turn down the TA, those things are almost certainly gone with the next TA, so what will you have gained?
I hope everyone who voted no at least saw a road show. You are doing yourself and the pilot group a disservice if you didn't.
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