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Old 02-12-2018 | 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by lowandslow
I’m not arguing a cost neutral contract but we are trading work rules for money. It’s much clearer math when monetizing money than monetizing work rules. But it’s nice to see parroting what somebody said on a show you watched.
Ha, can't argue with facts but you will sure try. You're doing great
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Old 02-12-2018 | 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Tjamaica
Ha, can't argue with facts but you will sure try. You're doing great
No you can’t.

Another poster shared the savings from 200 less pilots required and the cost differential decreased quite a bit, but it’s still in our corner, quite significantly.

These no voters can’t be reasoned with. The rumors that were spread on here today is proof of that. They’ll come up with anything.

Someone today, on the live streamed ORD road show, expressed concern about all the concessions. The NC did an excellent job explaining the process and why they reached the agreement they did, especially when talking about what the company really wanted.

Could the deal be better? Of course it could be. We could get everything we wanted. Do we live in a perfect world? No.

While some no voters have truely legitimate reasons for voting no, the majority on here are living in a pipe dream. APC is a terrible venue to try and gauge actual sentiment. Always has been always will.

Go back and look at my original post when the TA was posted. I shared the same feelings as many on here. I’ve since taken the time to get educated. Will they do the same?
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Old 02-12-2018 | 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Gjn290
No you can’t.

Another poster shared the savings from 200 less pilots required and the cost differential decreased quite a bit, but it’s still in our corner, quite significantly.

These no voters can’t be reasoned with. The rumors that were spread on here today is proof of that. They’ll come up with anything.

Someone today, on the live streamed ORD road show, expressed concern about all the concessions. The NC did an excellent job explaining the process and why they reached the agreement they did, especially when talking about what the company really wanted.

Could the deal be better? Of course it could be. We could get everything we wanted. Do we live in a perfect world? No.

While some no voters have truely legitimate reasons for voting no, the majority on here are living in a pipe dream. APC is a terrible venue to try and gauge actual sentiment. Always has been always will.

Go back and look at my original post when the TA was posted. I shared the same feelings as many on here. I’ve since taken the time to get educated. Will they do the same?
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Old 02-12-2018 | 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Tjamaica
An ALPA rep at the road show today said that he has been working with on contracts for various airlines for the past 40+ years and the 14 to 1 ratio is the highest he has ever seen by a large margin. After educating myself on the TA for several days and listening to factual information I feel that the NC did very well
You might want to listen again... Not one rep has spoken on any video. That was art... He has been around longer than you and me both. He is a pompous ass, but he isn't dumb. Before you try and quote someone, he sure your speaking truth. I happen to agree with your thoughts, but they should be based on facts. If not, you lose credibility.

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Old 02-12-2018 | 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Conquistador27
Didn’t an arbitrator give you what you have today? I understand in the past but what’s the excuse now, for example, for not having scope today?
Greed by the top 10% and fear from the bottom 40%. It has been a membership priority to have scope but the Senior Seattle Mafia rolls up on the negotiators and prevents it....We are where we are by are own fault.....We have never had a TA that was close to a yes vote but the same story about being “parked” and losing gains etc has frightened 45% of our group and when you add that to the sleazy 15% at the top they win.....If your TA is good and you disregard the threats from the road shows and it stands on its own then vote it in and move on....Alaska is a classic example of what not to do....
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Old 02-13-2018 | 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Squeaky banana
You might want to listen again... Not one rep has spoken on any video. That was art... He has been around longer than you and me both. He is a pompous ass, but he isn't dumb. Before you try and quote someone, he sure your speaking truth. I happen to agree with your thoughts, but they should be based on facts. If not, you lose credibility.

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Are you saying the 14-1 number isn't true? It has been stated on both the road show video and the live stream today.
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Old 02-13-2018 | 02:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris
Are you saying the 14-1 number isn't true? It has been stated on both the road show video and the live stream today.
I’m confused too. Maybe the Alpa rep part? Art works for Alpa. Therefore he is an Alpa representative. Or, Alpa rep, for short.
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Old 02-13-2018 | 02:41 AM
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Originally Posted by sourgrapes
lol😂😂😂😂😂😂lol
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Old 02-13-2018 | 02:48 AM
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Let's make this simple. Check the box that says I am in favor. Basically a yes vote.
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Old 02-13-2018 | 04:23 AM
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Over at B6 and am wondering when your vote is?
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