Originally Posted by elmetal (Post 2658720)

negotiate that in the next CBA. they'll never pay you a dime that isn't in the CBA.

Originally Posted by David Puddy (Post 2658995)

With current order backlogs, it may take 3-4 years at least to get a new airplane (unless you use the more expensive lessors). Both Boeing and Airbus have longer backlogs than Bombardier/Airbus and Embraer. Will be interesting to see what shakes out - hopefully sooner than later.

Originally Posted by David Puddy (Post 2658995)

With current order backlogs, it may take 3-4 years at least to get a new airplane (unless you use the more expensive lessors). Both Boeing and Airbus have longer backlogs than Bombardier/Airbus and Embraer. Will be interesting to see what shakes out - hopefully sooner than later.

Originally Posted by flyjbh (Post 2659893)

Backlogs are a marketing tool. If you want a Boeing or Airbus, you will get one. Just look at all the “orders” at Farnborough and check which ones were actual money down orders.... there is a big difference


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Originally Posted by flyjbh (Post 2659893)

Backlogs are a marketing tool. If you want a Boeing or Airbus, you will get one.

Originally Posted by Powderkeg (Post 2660186)

Full disclosure...I’m an F9 guy and as much as I HATE Franke I have to say locking up 400+ airbuses was a good move. He can either build his empire cheaper than anybody else for the next 8 years or sell his positions to somebody that values them more.

Originally Posted by Powderkeg (Post 2660186)

Maybe...but to get a new one you’re either A) buying it from the entity that has the rights to that plane for more money than they spent or B) getting first right of refusal and hoping somebody backs out.



Full disclosure...I’m an F9 guy and as much as I HATE Franke I have to say locking up 400+ airbuses was a good move. He can either build his empire cheaper than anybody else for the next 8 years or sell his positions to somebody that values them more.