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Old 08-21-2018 | 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by elmetal
negotiate that in the next CBA. they'll never pay you a dime that isn't in the CBA.
No kidding. It should’ve been in this one especially with the below industry pay and retirement
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Old 08-21-2018 | 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by David Puddy
With current order backlogs, it may take 3-4 years at least to get a new airplane (unless you use the more expensive lessors). Both Boeing and Airbus have longer backlogs than Bombardier/Airbus and Embraer. Will be interesting to see what shakes out - hopefully sooner than later.
you do realize we're already taking 50 deliveries all through the next 3 years?
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Old 08-22-2018 | 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by David Puddy
With current order backlogs, it may take 3-4 years at least to get a new airplane (unless you use the more expensive lessors). Both Boeing and Airbus have longer backlogs than Bombardier/Airbus and Embraer. Will be interesting to see what shakes out - hopefully sooner than later.


Backlogs are a marketing tool. If you want a Boeing or Airbus, you will get one. Just look at all the “orders” at Farnborough and check which ones were actual money down orders.... there is a big difference


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Old 08-22-2018 | 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by flyjbh
Backlogs are a marketing tool. If you want a Boeing or Airbus, you will get one. Just look at all the “orders” at Farnborough and check which ones were actual money down orders.... there is a big difference


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Old 08-22-2018 | 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by flyjbh
Backlogs are a marketing tool. If you want a Boeing or Airbus, you will get one.
Maybe...but to get a new one you’re either A) buying it from the entity that has the rights to that plane for more money than they spent or B) getting first right of refusal and hoping somebody backs out.

Full disclosure...I’m an F9 guy and as much as I HATE Franke I have to say locking up 400+ airbuses was a good move. He can either build his empire cheaper than anybody else for the next 8 years or sell his positions to somebody that values them more.
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Old 08-23-2018 | 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Powderkeg

Full disclosure...I’m an F9 guy and as much as I HATE Franke I have to say locking up 400+ airbuses was a good move. He can either build his empire cheaper than anybody else for the next 8 years or sell his positions to somebody that values them more.
It's nothing new. Steven Udvar-Hazy made so much money doing just that he built a museum you and I can go to for free (as long as we pay for parking, of course).
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Old 08-23-2018 | 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Powderkeg
Maybe...but to get a new one you’re either A) buying it from the entity that has the rights to that plane for more money than they spent or B) getting first right of refusal and hoping somebody backs out.



Full disclosure...I’m an F9 guy and as much as I HATE Franke I have to say locking up 400+ airbuses was a good move. He can either build his empire cheaper than anybody else for the next 8 years or sell his positions to somebody that values them more.


All true. My point was there are airframes available


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Old 08-26-2018 | 10:09 AM
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Looked like the E2 was visiting FLL this past week again. I know Embraer has a big service center on the field. Not sure if it was another Spirit tour of the bird, but it could have been.....
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Old 08-26-2018 | 10:21 AM
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Odds are 3 to 1 we stay with an Airbus Product. This is nothing more than posturing for negotiations.
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Old 08-26-2018 | 05:30 PM
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913NK still can't get the engine cowls to match the fuselage paint -
It's not even here and its already over a year old.


Aug 2, 2017


Aug 24, 2018



N906NK - Oct 19 2017


Looks like our next 5 NEOs (913, 906, 915, 912, 907) are coming from Tianjin Airlines

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