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Originally Posted by elmetal
(Post 2610178)
They'll get worse?
Half the lines in the system have 13-14 off and min credit. They can't get any worse But....but.....I have 4 days off between pairings that’s all that counts. [emoji849]. It was stupid to keep the four days, if we had lobbied for a higher number of min days off the problem fixes itself. My wife works 3 on 4 off, not bc of the contract saying 4 days off (different airline) but bc of min days off guarantee for the month..... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by flyingpuma1
(Post 2610699)
But....but.....I have 4 days off between pairings that’s all that counts. [emoji849]. It was stupid to keep the four days, if we had lobbied for a higher number of min days off the problem fixes itself. My wife works 3 on 4 off, not bc of the contract saying 4 days off (different airline) but bc of min days off guarantee for the month.....
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
(Post 2610690)
Our rigs, read 3.5:1 and 5hr DUTY PERIOD average and not CALENDAR DAY average aren’t what I would call “good”. Slightly below industry average.
Better than what we have now so hopefully the pairings will get better. Is the 5hr duty period only applied to the trip, not individual days (3 duty periods equals min 15hrs credit, but a 3-period trip that credits 3hrs one period but 16hrs total means you don't get the extra 2 hours)? |
Originally Posted by symbian simian
(Post 2610732)
Agree! Swa has 12 day off min, but most lines don't come close because they have average hardline does not work more than 13.5 days in 31 day month, so AVERAGE days off is 17.5, vs NK 14.5....
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Originally Posted by WhiteMorpheus
(Post 2610787)
Did you get a duty rig, as well (2:1 or better), or just trip at 3.5?
Is the 5hr duty period only applied to the trip, not individual days (3 duty periods equals min 15hrs credit, but a 3-period trip that credits 3hrs one period but 16hrs total means you don't get the extra 2 hours)? And yes your example is correct on the 5hr duty period average |
Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
(Post 2610690)
Our rigs, read 3.5:1 and 5hr DUTY PERIOD average and not CALENDAR DAY average aren’t what I would call “good”. Slightly below industry average.
Better than what we have now so hopefully the pairings will get better. |
Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
(Post 2610820)
I though southwest had min 15/16
say there are 10 lines and the average is 13 max workdays. 8 lines have 13 workdays. can one line have 18 workdays? sure, but then the last line can only work 8 days so it can average 13. make sense? |
Originally Posted by TrojanCMH
(Post 2610350)
Another thing to add is the trip/paring construction is huge with PBS. Efficient trips are everything. You get more days off for the line holder, more reserves because more of the scheduled flights are covered by line holders thus making more opportunities to drop a trip due to the reserve grid being green. Hopefully management lets the scheduling committee have some say in the pairing construction and (crossing my fingers) hopefully not every pairing is built to the minimum rig.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Unfortunately the number one parameter for the optimizer (from what I was told) is to "limit soft time," and not to build efficient pairings. Apparently Crew Planning doesn't care about efficiency. Not sure how this will enter the mix with PBS, but if that soft time limit parameter remains at #1, how will the end result look? Will a majority of the trips default to the rigs, or will the rigs be such that the optimizer will need to be coded different? I don't know and look to the ones that have worked under a PBS system. All I do know is that if Crew Planning can save a $ over efficiency (sometimes even safety ala +1 redeye legs) then they will do that. |
Do you guys have any language that guarantees a line to a certain percentage of pilots in each base? The reason I ask is that your 4 days off between flying language used to be managements problem; they had to build the lines. Now, it’s the pilots problem. If the system can’t build a line with blocks of 4 days off then you’ll get dumped to composite lines or reserve if you don’t have composite lines. The only other option is to waive your guaranteed 4 days off.
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Originally Posted by BillyBaroo
(Post 2610848)
Unfortunately the number one parameter for the optimizer (from what I was told) is to "limit soft time," and not to build efficient pairings. Apparently Crew Planning doesn't care about efficiency. Not sure how this will enter the mix with PBS, but if that soft time limit parameter remains at #1, how will the end result look? Will a majority of the trips default to the rigs, or will the rigs be such that the optimizer will need to be coded different? I don't know and look to the ones that have worked under a PBS system. All I do know is that if Crew Planning can save a $ over efficiency (sometimes even safety ala +1 redeye legs) then they will do that.
You would think that more efficiency benefits everyone but who knows... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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