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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
(Post 2610820)
I though southwest had min 15/16
Days in month - average days work/line 31 13.5 30 13 29 12.5 28 12 Way better than what we have |
Originally Posted by symbian simian
(Post 2610909)
Those are for reserve 30/31 day months, for hard lines:
Days in month - average days work/line 31 13.5 30 13 29 12.5 28 12 Way better than what we have |
Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
(Post 2610951)
That is awesome. But hey 4 days off :rolleyes:
I would have taken 15/15.5 days work/month. Last month in LAS average 13.9 days off :mad: |
Originally Posted by lowflying
(Post 2610853)
Do you guys have any language that guarantees a line to a certain percentage of pilots in each base? The reason I ask is that your 4 days off between flying language used to be managements problem; they had to build the lines. Now, it’s the pilots problem. If the system can’t build a line with blocks of 4 days off then you’ll get dumped to composite lines or reserve if you don’t have composite lines. The only other option is to waive your guaranteed 4 days off.
So if you're 75 and that happens, too bad, you're a lineholder and there's nothing they can do. |
Originally Posted by elmetal
(Post 2611082)
Even the most garbage pbs systems out there have a distinction that basically says: 100 pilots, 80 are guaranteed lineholder.
So if you're 75 and that happens, too bad, you're a lineholder and there's nothing they can do. |
Originally Posted by Silver02ex
(Post 2611129)
Huh? I’m confuse by this. With PBS you can be #1 and bid for reserve if you want, it gives one more junior guy a chance to be a line holder, just like line bidding.
So when someone up there said "system won't build you a full line because of 4 days off, now you fall to reserve or relief" is just an inherently misunderstanding of PBS and it explains why so many here are afraid of it. |
Originally Posted by elmetal
(Post 2611142)
Right. The point I was making is if you do not INTENTIONALLY bid reserve in PBS, even the ****tiest PBS system CANNOT give you reserve if you fall within the lineholder threshold.
So when someone up there said "system won't build you a full line because of 4 days off, now you fall to reserve or relief" is just an inherently misunderstanding of PBS and it explains why so many here are afraid of it. Actually that's a very correct statement at least with NavBlue. 4 days off min is kind of pointless because you can bid for 4 days off in a row or 8 days. It doesn't mean your going to get it. If you're senior, that's great you will get it. For those that fall close to the lineholder / reserve bubble, you will waive the four days in order to get a line. If you do not have a backup bid that waives 4 days off in a row and you are on the cusp of a line, it will give you reserve. That's what hard coding a min day off in a row will do in the system. Unless there's some serious customization of Navblue, that's how the system will operate. As far as pairing construction goes... yes the company does want high efficiency trips. It wants pilots to fly. It does nothing to have pilots sit in hotel rooms. What the company doesn't want is to pay pilots to not work (rigs, min day etc.). They will always try to optimize out of soft time. What makes things difficult is the route structure we currently have. It doesn't make it easy to get the efficiency either side is looking for. And why it's apples and oranges to compare SWA with us. |
What would be considered senior with PBS? 10, 20, 30%
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Originally Posted by ropestart
(Post 2611265)
What would be considered senior with PBS? 10, 20, 30%
20%............... |
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