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Qotsaautopilot 06-11-2018 10:48 PM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 2612400)
TWIRI according to the CBA within 3 hours they can do what they want, so adding a pairing to you pairing is CBA compliant. The 2 check-ins only refers to check in after a rest, no rest no check in.

Having said that, They can only do that a exhausting X/Y, so only do it for 200%.

Incorrect. Second sentence of 25.I.1. More specifically addressed in 25.I.3

The only thing they have relief on inside three hours is using a Y list over an available reserve or 25.G.2.b.5 which means they can go straight to junior assignment if they need.

They absolutely cannot just tack stuff on to the end of your pairing.

lowandslow 06-12-2018 09:34 AM

Careful what you ask for. I have had a trip with a turn tacked on at the end (way it was built). The turn resulted in minutes of extra pay compared to the rig without it.

astral 06-12-2018 10:58 AM

Same here.
Rescheduled for 2 extra legs for 30mins of pay!!!

Qotsaautopilot 06-12-2018 11:46 AM


Originally Posted by astral (Post 2613049)
Same here.
Rescheduled for 2 extra legs for 30mins of pay!!!

To be fair I don’t think you flew your entire pairing as scheduled with a turn just added on. That’s is not compliant

lowandslow 06-12-2018 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2613102)
To be fair I don’t think you flew your entire pairing as scheduled with a turn just added on. That’s is not compliant

To be contract compliant it would have to be built into the original trip (avoiding the 2 check-ins). This can alter the trip to be based on block vs. rig. Ex-4 day one leg/day = 4.5 x 4=18:00. Add a turn at the end and you end up w/ block 18:30.

symbian simian 06-12-2018 01:08 PM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2612716)
Incorrect. Second sentence of 25.I.1. More specifically addressed in 25.I.3

The only thing they have relief on inside three hours is using a Y list over an available reserve or 25.G.2.b.5 which means they can go straight to junior assignment if they need.

They absolutely cannot just tack stuff on to the end of your pairing.

You are correct, I was talking about volunteering to have the trip added to the end of your pairing.

I don’t know how restrictive the “timely” requirement is, do the have to call everyone or can they assume the pilots won’t be able to get there in time once you get to say one hour to show?
25 G 2 b 5
“In the event a pilot in subparagraphs 1−4 above cannot get into position to timely cover the open flying, the Company may select the junior available pilot in category physically closest to the location where the open flying occurs.”

symbian simian 06-12-2018 01:12 PM


Originally Posted by squawkoff (Post 2612427)
I don’t want 80 block for 100 pay. Never said that and never hinted at it.

You said you wanted max days off, work more on days on, maybe I used the wrong numbers, what I meant was, generally our schedules are very inefficient. You talked about working 12 days, so 18/19 days off. In LAS we have 110 hard lines, 2 have 17 days off 14 have 16. IMO you will never see 18/19 days off.

Qotsaautopilot 06-12-2018 01:46 PM


Originally Posted by lowandslow (Post 2613120)
To be contract compliant it would have to be built into the original trip (avoiding the 2 check-ins). This can alter the trip to be based on block vs. rig. Ex-4 day one leg/day = 4.5 x 4=18:00. Add a turn at the end and you end up w/ block 18:30.

Yes I thought we were talking rescheduling. You cannot do your scheduled pairing and then get a turn added at the end is what I thought we were talking about.

LloydBraun 06-12-2018 03:49 PM

Trying to wonder if these lines really could get worse under PBS. I just don’t see how they couldn’t get better with better rigs. These lines blow a$$. In DTW at least 12 lines with only 13 days off and 36 with only 14 days off. In a 31 day month. Out of I think 76 lines.

Tjamaica 06-12-2018 04:15 PM

How can schedules not get better? Trip/duty rigs. 5hr average duty period. Trips will be worth more leading to more days off or higher credit. This period we are in now between signing of the new contract and PBS is as bad as it gets in my opinion. I look forward to PBS


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