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07-08-2023 | 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by symbian simian

From the JB thread. Average 9 YEARS to hold a line on the 320, excluding MCO where it takes 16……. And even on their SNB it takes longer than 320 at most of our bases.
Anyone thinking the merger will be good for career progression at NK needs to take a good look.

Now add all our planes and flying, all the flying JB hasn’t been able to do because of lack of pilots and planes, and also account for the retirement of the 190s. Realistically, no one has any idea what the new JB will look like as far as network and route structure.

07-08-2023 | 02:03 PM

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The reality is that there hasn’t been a merger where both pilots groups come out happy. Given the circumstances, I don’t think we’ll be winning what so ever. Obviously, it’s anyone guess, but I don’t get butterflies when I think about this merger.

07-08-2023 | 02:16 PM

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I for one am really praying that this merger doesn’t go through. I know I’m probably one of the few but being a 10 year top 30 percent captain in MCO doesn’t really make me think this will be a good thing.

Us for two are...

And yeah, if I see the JB seniority in their FL bases, you have plenty to be worried about.

07-08-2023 | 04:37 PM

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Whats the last merger that was date of hire? You’ll be fine.

07-08-2023 | 04:39 PM

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Career expectations are part of the equation. Those hired 10yrs ago at spirit had expectations of being senior. The order book was large and the planes in service were small in numbers at that time.

07-08-2023 | 04:43 PM

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You’d rather work for frontier and this generations Lorenzo for the rest of your career? I know I don’t. Spirit is done. Period. It’s JetBlue or Frontier. I’ll take my chances with JetBlue. JetBlue needs us and we need them like it or not. I for one don’t think the ULCC market in the United States will ever be what it is in Europe. We’ve reached critical mass. We clearly can’t make money as we grow. Full service (read: mixed service) airlines are the ones making the money, along with the pilots.

07-08-2023 | 05:52 PM

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What did Alaska-VX end up? 60% DOH and 40% relative seniority? As long as there’s a good JCBA, everybody will survive fine although people will no doubt ***** about it for the next quarter century.

07-09-2023 | 03:06 AM

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What did Alaska-VX end up? 60% DOH and 40% relative seniority?.

I believe so, however Virgin was a much newer entity at the time of acquisition, so maybe there's some hope for a 50/50 split.... 🤞🤞🤞

07-09-2023 | 05:47 AM

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Spirit is a maturing airline. It isn't the infant ULCC anymore. For how much longer was a new hire going to be a line holding Capt in much less time than that anyway?

Hopefully the JCBA and growth and Europe expansion will all be enough to keep us moving forward. JB's upgrade times as a standalone company were trending down anyway, not up. We're all just along for the ride anyway. We can't control any of this.