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lowandslow 10-04-2018 06:44 PM


Originally Posted by Ducttape (Post 2685930)
I don’t want to dilute our flying with a second type. Our seniority list will grow but the number bidding below you on your type will not grow at the same pace.

But wouldn't it be a wash since you'd have potentially less above you? I see it as good though it would also cut down the open time available to you.

Popeye0537 10-04-2018 07:10 PM


Originally Posted by Ducttape (Post 2686029)
A 330 would at least bring a higher paying aircraft on property, an option to step up and make more money; so you would likely see more people making the move to the aircraft for the raise. Longer range on the 330 means more likely schedules that mirror legacy heavy schedules where a pilot will fly fewer times a month, more off time.



A 220 would not bring a pay raise. Shorter stage lengths, smaller communities most likely.

So I don’t care how nice a plane it is, an order of 200 is not helping us like an order of 200 A320s would or 200 A330s would


But for the price of 1 330 we could order 4 220's. I'd rather grow and reach more destinations than get killed by the big 3 trying to operate something that is their bread and butter. Look at B6, they have been talking that nonsense about going to Europe but nothing's come of it because its a huge gamble. And on the subject of B6, if we start getting the same airframes as they have its ripe for a merger even though they are looking for someone to buy them.

flensr 10-04-2018 09:54 PM

Watch the investor slides. Less than a year ago, spirit was talking about having hundreds of potentially profitable routes that they couldn't immediately take advantage of because they couldn't grow that fast. No need for a new aircraft type to cash in on those routes that are already identified. What does the investor presentation say now? The clues you need are likely in there. Don't forget, the last investor presentation before the current contract was signed was the one where mgt finally admitted that growth was on hold until the contract was settled (the one before that, they blamed it on the NEO engine problems). Lots of good info in the investor relations page on the website, if you're trying to guess what's gonna happen.

BKbigfish 10-04-2018 10:38 PM


Originally Posted by flensr (Post 2686281)
Watch the investor slides. Less than a year ago, spirit was talking about having hundreds of potentially profitable routes that they couldn't immediately take advantage of because they couldn't grow that fast. No need for a new aircraft type to cash in on those routes that are already identified. What does the investor presentation say now? The clues you need are likely in there. Don't forget, the last investor presentation before the current contract was signed was the one where mgt finally admitted that growth was on hold until the contract was settled (the one before that, they blamed it on the NEO engine problems). Lots of good info in the investor relations page on the website, if you're trying to guess what's gonna happen.

So what do the investor slides say now? I just looked over them and I don’t see anything new.

Super EZ E 10-05-2018 04:40 AM


Originally Posted by B200 Hawk (Post 2685622)
Where are 200 Airbuses coming from?! Surely not brand new.

You have to understand taking a delivery position. They have so many escape clauses it's not funny. Their are Companies that do nothing more than block positions and sell them at a premium, if they can't they back out. Ted point blank told me getting a new Airbus isn't an issue. They want them at a discount. Boeing is offering that discount. But they want a complete fleet switch over. So to answer your question, yes the order is for new Aircraft.

Lincoln Osiris 10-05-2018 04:35 PM


Originally Posted by Super EZ E (Post 2686335)
You have to understand taking a delivery position. They have so many escape clauses it's not funny. Their are Companies that do nothing more than block positions and sell them at a premium, if they can't they back out. Ted point blank told me getting a new Airbus isn't an issue. They want them at a discount. Boeing is offering that discount. But they want a complete fleet switch over. So to answer your question, yes the order is for new Aircraft.

A complete fleet switch for any LCC or ULCC would not be easy. The biggest example that I can think of was EasyJet. After a quick google search they had around 88 737s before switching to an all Airbus fleet so not impossible? But boy that would be a pain.

Super EZ E 10-05-2018 05:07 PM


Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris (Post 2686741)
A complete fleet switch for any LCC or ULCC would not be easy. The biggest example that I can think of was EasyJet. After a quick google search they had around 88 737s before switching to an all Airbus fleet so not impossible? But boy that would be a pain.

Whom said anything about a fleet switch? :eek: I'd give you 3 to 1 we stay with Airbus. They'll never flip the fleet. Boeing is just trying anything to sell aircraft.

Flightcap 10-05-2018 05:20 PM


Originally Posted by Super EZ E (Post 2686755)
Whom said anything about a fleet switch? :eek: I'd give you 3 to 1 we stay with Airbus. They'll never flip the fleet. Boeing is just trying anything to sell aircraft.

Boeing has probably realized by now that they are out of trump cards and at this point are just trying to force Airbus's hand as much as possible.

Lincoln Osiris 10-05-2018 05:41 PM


Originally Posted by Super EZ E (Post 2686755)
Whom said anything about a fleet switch? :eek: I'd give you 3 to 1 we stay with Airbus. They'll never flip the fleet. Boeing is just trying anything to sell aircraft.

Who said anything about a fleet switch? Uh you and the Boeing rumor just did in your last post? lol

AllOva736 10-05-2018 06:51 PM


Originally Posted by Super EZ E (Post 2686755)
Whom said anything about a fleet switch? :eek: I'd give you 3 to 1 we stay with Airbus. They'll never flip the fleet. Boeing is just trying anything to sell aircraft.

Lay off the bottle.


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