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TrojanCMH 11-21-2018 05:22 PM


Originally Posted by Macjet (Post 2712133)
And no different airframes.



Why do you feel that way? If they got 330’s you’d be upset?


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Macjet 11-21-2018 05:39 PM


Originally Posted by TrojanCMH (Post 2712280)
Why do you feel that way? If they got 330’s you’d be upset?


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Yes. A second airframe dilutes the bases and lines. It isn't any different, and perhaps worse, than new bases. Imagine every upgrade and new hire going to a different airframe. Your relative seniority, with our near zero retirement attrition, stagnates for perpetuity.

Macjet 11-21-2018 05:44 PM


Originally Posted by TrojanCMH (Post 2712280)
Why do you feel that way? If they got 330’s you’d be upset?


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The ULCC cost advantage is also highly marginalized on long stage lengths and wide bodies. Longer stage lengths folks are more demanding of room, food, and entertainment. There's a reason that we are optimal at a 1000nm stage length. Wide bodies are already high density airframes and our model doesn't bring the CASM down to where we'd desire. The only good thing about an A330 at NK would be that we'd finally get market rate A320 pay on property.

flyboyike 11-24-2018 07:26 AM


Originally Posted by SkyJunky (Post 2709159)
I appreciate that. I really do want to be here. Its just gotta pencil out. Being an FO for 5+ years doesn't for my situation. Upgrading quickly is one of the paramount reasons, among many, that makes this place very attractive. I hope the rest of the applicants realize the potential slowing as well. I know quite a few that are banking on the fast upgrades. We all have to take a job for what it is, not what it 'could' be. To that, we are getting hired as FOs. Full spectrum, I, like most of us, set risk v reward, "is it worth it?". I want to believe it is. Plus, Spirit pilots are all pretty awesome guys. Work-life will at least be legit if upgrades slow way down.

I suppose it's all a matter of comparison to whatever other options you have, and by that I mean not what other companies you can apply to, but what other companies have offered you a job. In my experience, chasing upgrades is a fairly futile endeavor, and the whole risk vs reward thing may not be clear until the day after you retire, if then.

elmetal 11-26-2018 07:13 AM


Originally Posted by Super EZ E (Post 2710996)
ACY guys would flood BWI. We have a lot of guys on the east coast that would love BWI. We need a lot more activity to make BWI a crew base. I don't see it anytime soon, You'd think ACY would close but we fill the aircraft.




"flood" a 250-300 pilot base (which is what bwi would be, look at MCO for a recent example of base size vs number of departures a day) with ACY is laughable. ACY is what... 80 pilots total? don't even both counting the bottm 20 fos.

TrojanCMH 11-26-2018 07:51 AM


Originally Posted by elmetal (Post 2714162)
"flood" a 250-300 pilot base (which is what bwi would be, look at MCO for a recent example of base size vs number of departures a day) with ACY is laughable. ACY is what... 80 pilots total? don't even both counting the bottm 20 fos.



As long as it is cheaper to have the crew base compared to the cost of overnighting a bunch of crews then it makes sense to have a base. No reason they can’t keep ACY and have BWI. ACY is kind of an outlier but those planes are always full whenever I fly into there.


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elmetal 11-26-2018 07:59 AM


Originally Posted by TrojanCMH (Post 2714191)
As long as it is cheaper to have the crew base compared to the cost of overnighting a bunch of crews then it makes sense to have a base. No reason they can’t keep ACY and have BWI. ACY is kind of an outlier but those planes are always full whenever I fly into there.


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they will keep both bases for sure. to say that ACY will close if BWI opens completely overlooks the fact that MCO didn't open by cannibalizing or closing FLL at all.

Acehole 11-26-2018 11:17 PM


Originally Posted by elmetal (Post 2714197)
they will keep both bases for sure. to say that ACY will close if BWI opens completely overlooks the fact that MCO didn't open by cannibalizing or closing FLL at all.

I’m pretty sure when FLL closes the north runway, the flights out of there will slow to a crawl...
I bet the re surface project had a lot to do with the opening of MCO as a base.

Conquistador27 11-27-2018 02:50 AM


Originally Posted by Acehole (Post 2714627)
I’m pretty sure when FLL closes the north runway, the flights out of there will slow to a crawl...
I bet the re surface project had a lot to do with the opening of MCO as a base.

So will Orlando close or pilots get displaced when the FLL runway reopens? It’s hard to believe we would have an entire new base that’s going to be pretty large because of a temporary runway closure.

Green Giant 11-27-2018 05:25 AM


Originally Posted by Conquistador27 (Post 2714635)
So will Orlando close or pilots get displaced when the FLL runway reopens? It’s hard to believe we would have an entire new base that’s going to be pretty large because of a temporary runway closure.

LGA and SJU were all bases too at one point. Recently bases seem to open and stay open unlike the past.


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