Arbitration.

 

Winner winner!!

 

We would probably lose that arbitration and that's ok with me. Adding 100+ A220's without anymore 321's would just dilute the override anyway. Let the guys that stay on that type keep the extra money instead of watering it down.

 

I don’t understand who would argue that it isn’t an Airbus. It had “A” in the title, they are marketing and selling it as an Airbus...even the company is calling it an Airbus.

 

Playing devils advocate here, but the precedent is from a long time ago when there were only 319’s and 321’s on property, and there were two different pay scales. With only a couple 321’s flying out of certain bases, only a few pilots were enjoying the higher paying fleet. Since you can’t bid for it, the override was a way for all pilots to get a taste, rather than a few who do all the 321 routes. The contract language is a ratio of the total hours flown by 321 to 320/319, if you further dilute that ratio with hours flown by the 220 as well, ain’t going to be much of an override left.

 

Thats a very good point. IF we had A220s on property, All A320 typed pilots should not want the A220 included, money out of your pocket. I have not thought about that angle but man it makes sense....and yes, I dont think anyone would be happy flying the A320s knowing their 321 override is diluted by those who dont even fly the 321...

 

I'm sorry, but this is ignorant. The A220 holds the same as our 319. Should guys be ****ed at those flying 319's that were bought from SA or bought back from lease? If we don't purchase any additional 321's a we continue to grow the airline then our share of an override or the ability to bid 321 flying will be diluted. It's six one way half a dozen the other.

 

Another devil's advocate but when contract was signed it wasn't an Airbus.

 

Ok, I’ll be ignorant if you’ll be delusional...Come on, not trying to get into a back and forth name calling contest.

Do you think the company or an arbitrator is going to say that a A220 qualifies under the A321 override section because it’s an Airbus in name and that the ratio of A220 flying will not be used to dilute the block hours of A321 vs all flying, yet everyone gets paid?

Your example of planes brought back on lease doesn’t seem to be a relevant comparison on what this is. A more relevant example is a property who had a carve out for a 737 and that specific carve out was also paid to pilots of 757/767 or another Boeing aircraft. Is that common? I don’t know?

I would love everyone to get paid, that’s a no brainer. But someone posted that it would/could possibly dilute the override of guys actually flying the type, and it was an interesting point in the exercise of playing devils advocate.

I think it’s all moot anyways and they announce more A320 types.

 

Ignorant isn't an insult. Stupid is.

Any airframe that isn't a 321 will dilute the block hours. Period. The A220, nee C Series, is now majority owned by Airbus (50.01%), is marketed as an Airbus, is called an Airbus, and is sold as an Airbus. Whether we order 220's or 320's it'll be the same. They're both Airbii.