What’s with the sweaters?
01-21-2019, 02:50 PM
#31
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All I'm saying is this: there are plenty of perks that we could negotiate for that would make our new hires' lives easier. They aren't necessities, I get that. Over the course of a career our hourly rates more than make up the cost as compared to regional airlines, I get that. But gestures count. Especially when many people take a pay cut their first year to come here, small financial perks help make that transition a lot easier.
I was fortunate enough to be able to survive new hire pay quite well. But not every new hire is so fortunate, especially some of the regional FOs that we picked up last year. Purchasing new uniform items is a big chunk of change especially when you're on a pitiful ~$1700/month new hire salary to begin with. That's a major reason why you see a lot of our junior guys without the standard uniform.
If the company cares about us following the uniform policy they can either start enforcing it or make it easier for new hires to comply. If they don't care, I don't care. I look like enough like a professional pilot that people ask for directions, want their kids to take pictures with me, and make room in the boarding area for me to enter the plane. That's good enough for me. If it's not good enough for you, you can stop me in the hallway and give some uniform advice in person.
I was fortunate enough to be able to survive new hire pay quite well. But not every new hire is so fortunate, especially some of the regional FOs that we picked up last year. Purchasing new uniform items is a big chunk of change especially when you're on a pitiful ~$1700/month new hire salary to begin with. That's a major reason why you see a lot of our junior guys without the standard uniform.
If the company cares about us following the uniform policy they can either start enforcing it or make it easier for new hires to comply. If they don't care, I don't care. I look like enough like a professional pilot that people ask for directions, want their kids to take pictures with me, and make room in the boarding area for me to enter the plane. That's good enough for me. If it's not good enough for you, you can stop me in the hallway and give some uniform advice in person.
01-21-2019, 03:23 PM
#32
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Position: Citation, left seat
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Originally Posted by Flightcap
All I'm saying is this: there are plenty of perks that we could negotiate for that would make our new hires' lives easier. They aren't necessities, I get that. Over the course of a career our hourly rates more than make up the cost as compared to regional airlines, I get that. But gestures count. Especially when many people take a pay cut their first year to come here, small financial perks help make that transition a lot easier.
I was fortunate enough to be able to survive new hire pay quite well. But not every new hire is so fortunate, especially some of the regional FOs that we picked up last year. Purchasing new uniform items is a big chunk of change especially when you're on a pitiful ~$1700/month new hire salary to begin with. That's a major reason why you see a lot of our junior guys without the standard uniform.
If the company cares about us following the uniform policy they can either start enforcing it or make it easier for new hires to comply. If they don't care, I don't care. I look like enough like a professional pilot that people ask for directions, want their kids to take pictures with me, and make room in the boarding area for me to enter the plane. That's good enough for me. If it's not good enough for you, you can stop me in the hallway and give some uniform advice in person.
I was fortunate enough to be able to survive new hire pay quite well. But not every new hire is so fortunate, especially some of the regional FOs that we picked up last year. Purchasing new uniform items is a big chunk of change especially when you're on a pitiful ~$1700/month new hire salary to begin with. That's a major reason why you see a lot of our junior guys without the standard uniform.
If the company cares about us following the uniform policy they can either start enforcing it or make it easier for new hires to comply. If they don't care, I don't care. I look like enough like a professional pilot that people ask for directions, want their kids to take pictures with me, and make room in the boarding area for me to enter the plane. That's good enough for me. If it's not good enough for you, you can stop me in the hallway and give some uniform advice in person.
***$1,000/month****
01-21-2019, 03:55 PM
#33
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Position: A320HD
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Originally Posted by Skypilotsv1984
***$1,000/month****
I completely agree that until we see new hires getting a coat that works for cold weather we cannot expect them to shell out the cash for a Perrone. That said the basic uniform of navy pants and blazer should not be a hardship at this level of one’s career. Black dress shoes shouldn’t be either.
Until the company sees a need to add more honey we can expect the status quo for pay and uniforms. The NC has already stated they aren’t concerned with new hire pay.
01-21-2019, 03:57 PM
#34
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Originally Posted by gatorbird
Which is exactly my point. If things are so great in the regional world, why are 90% of regional pilots trying to GTFO? Sounds to me like they saved the china teacups while the ship sank around them. Good for them.
I’m not going to defend our company or our union for the lack of a compensated uniform or lack of a uniform professional standard. Of course I’d like to see NK foot the bill for a QUALITY product (I’ve color/style matched for years rather than use the garbage the vendors provided). But yes, I think we should each be individually compelled to wear the uniform as asked and as set forth in company policy. Call it a professional standard, pride in your profession, whatever. But that’s just me and it sounds like I’m in the minority and just getting old and grumpy. So carry on, wear whatever you guys want and continue to blame someone else for your problems. Entitlement check’s in the mail, same envelope as the profit sharing one.
I’m not going to defend our company or our union for the lack of a compensated uniform or lack of a uniform professional standard. Of course I’d like to see NK foot the bill for a QUALITY product (I’ve color/style matched for years rather than use the garbage the vendors provided). But yes, I think we should each be individually compelled to wear the uniform as asked and as set forth in company policy. Call it a professional standard, pride in your profession, whatever. But that’s just me and it sounds like I’m in the minority and just getting old and grumpy. So carry on, wear whatever you guys want and continue to blame someone else for your problems. Entitlement check’s in the mail, same envelope as the profit sharing one.
01-21-2019, 03:59 PM
#35
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Originally Posted by Flightcap
All I'm saying is this: there are plenty of perks that we could negotiate for that would make our new hires' lives easier. They aren't necessities, I get that. Over the course of a career our hourly rates more than make up the cost as compared to regional airlines, I get that. But gestures count. Especially when many people take a pay cut their first year to come here, small financial perks help make that transition a lot easier.
I was fortunate enough to be able to survive new hire pay quite well. But not every new hire is so fortunate, especially some of the regional FOs that we picked up last year. Purchasing new uniform items is a big chunk of change especially when you're on a pitiful ~$1700/month new hire salary to begin with. That's a major reason why you see a lot of our junior guys without the standard uniform.
If the company cares about us following the uniform policy they can either start enforcing it or make it easier for new hires to comply. If they don't care, I don't care. I look like enough like a professional pilot that people ask for directions, want their kids to take pictures with me, and make room in the boarding area for me to enter the plane. That's good enough for me. If it's not good enough for you, you can stop me in the hallway and give some uniform advice in person.
I was fortunate enough to be able to survive new hire pay quite well. But not every new hire is so fortunate, especially some of the regional FOs that we picked up last year. Purchasing new uniform items is a big chunk of change especially when you're on a pitiful ~$1700/month new hire salary to begin with. That's a major reason why you see a lot of our junior guys without the standard uniform.
If the company cares about us following the uniform policy they can either start enforcing it or make it easier for new hires to comply. If they don't care, I don't care. I look like enough like a professional pilot that people ask for directions, want their kids to take pictures with me, and make room in the boarding area for me to enter the plane. That's good enough for me. If it's not good enough for you, you can stop me in the hallway and give some uniform advice in person.
01-21-2019, 04:04 PM
#36
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
I don’t think you’re in the minority we just as group need to have a little more self respect. Btw, Delta doesn’t pay for new hire hotels and United doesn’t pay for uniforms ever. They do reimburse all dry cleaning for life though.
01-21-2019, 04:23 PM
#37
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Position: A320 CA
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Originally Posted by TrojanCMH
And yet you think complaining on an anonymous message board is a good plan. Got it there gator. If you’re so worried about how we all look then start calling pro standards every time you see a guy who isn’t in uniform compliance. I’m sure you’ll make lots of friends that way.
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Don’t think I haven’t said anything to the gross violators; hasn’t happened often but I’ve brought it up. I don’t need more friends; if someone carries themselves in that manner it’d be a short, rocky friendship anyway.
01-21-2019, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Tranquility
I was just about to say, Delta doesn’t pay for hotels. So for our lack of $1,000 worth of uniforms?? That equates to about 10 days, maybe more, worth of hotels in a 2-month-ish training footprint.... Each airline has different caveats, does it really matter? The FOM states what the uniform shall be. How well it’s enforced is totally up to management...
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