Originally Posted by Westcoastdude (Post 2788844)

Is most of the Latin America/Caribbean flying turns or are there some overnights mixed in?

Originally Posted by TrojanCMH (Post 2788861)

Depends on base. You’ll see Santo Domingo, Bogota, San Juan, Guayaquil, Lima, amongst others.


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Originally Posted by bruhaha (Post 2786791)

There's probably a few training threads in this subforum, but if you didn't know the info going into training, you're not going to know it leaving training.

You need to know your flows, memory items and limitations before coming to training if possible. They start hammering you on flows day one of training. You don't get much time off after class, and there aren't a lot of off days in training. 6-on-1-off-6-on, etc. So if you start behind, you'll struggle to stay up to speed.

You only get 4 simulator sessions before your type ride. You do get I think 12 FTD sessions to get normal procedures down, but you don't begin to cover single engine procedures until day 2 or 3 of sim, by then you're only 1 or 2 sims away from your type ride.

Same goes for captain upgrade - if you didn't know it before training, you still won't know it afterwards.

A lot of the onus is on you to find and learn the material.

Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2789184)

My pre and post contract assessment is that they hire from a wide range of backgrounds and experience. Quality is up a bit and probably total time a little, and this is my unscientific personal sample size. Seems like I find a common theme from the past year or two with some exceptions. That theme is low flight risk, and willingness to be content with less. I see tons of new hires with no bachelors degree. That right there brings them to spirit and not legacies. Then it’s a mix or low time, corporate only background, or skeletons.

All of these are different but the result is an applicant that cant easily leave and sees a good deal when it comes their way. And being 23% + or - undercompensated :eek:is a good deal for most unfortunately and it takes years to break that attitude if it’s possible. The low time guy is the only of the above that one day will be competitive to leave but by that point they will be too comfortable to try usually.

We all know this is a much better job than our last otherwise we wouldn’t be here. The key is getting people to understand that no matter what their background, once you’re a spirit pilot you don’t have to settle for less because of that background. You are just as valuable to this company as a legacy pilot is to theirs. And I’m not talking about some self esteem lift your morale BS. I’m talking about value in the form of what we do and how it’s compensated

Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2789413)

Edited for emphasis on how far behind we are from United 320 middle longevity captain. Pay rates only. Does not include retirement or rigs so the disparity is actually larger. They are in negotiations as well

Originally Posted by Xjrstreetcar (Post 2789458)

Hopefully those that vote yes for any labor contract do so because they believe the terms are the best(multiple factors weigh) that could be had as opposed to some idea of self worth and personal salary expectations. If not, it's just charity to the company to the detriment of labor and their families. Sounds like you believe a lot was left on the company's side and that would be a shame for not just Spirit pilots but the profession as a whole.

Originally Posted by flyingpuma1 (Post 2789488)

I'm guessing most that voted for this new(er) contract saw the bonus and pay rates $$ and voted on that. I've run into a lot of folks recently that were "surprised" by things in the contract. I can't say I feel bad for them clearly they voted without reading the entire thing.

Originally Posted by flyingpuma1 (Post 2789488)

I'm guessing most that voted for this new(er) contract saw the bonus and pay rates $$ and voted on that. I've run into a lot of folks recently that were "surprised" by things in the contract. I can't say I feel bad for them clearly they voted without reading the entire thing.