First year pay is no excuse to look like a slob.

He who yells loudest isn't rightest.
-Confucius/Plane Coffee

Maybe Ex Cargo should Cargo Again?

You’re right, we all get a free uniform so no excuse, oh, wait, not in your first year. No excuse for the company&union not to provide at least that for first year guys.

So we should have different uniform standards for first year people who budgeted for a 1-year paycut and another one for others? Should we also have different check ride standards for new hires of different experience levels? Not making excuses for the shortcomings in our CBA, but crying foul and complaining about being blindsided by the first-year pay conundrum is just plain stupid. All the info is out there...

No, we should have better pay for first year including insurance from day one, and the same uniform you and I get.
I budgeted beforehand and made it without incurring debt when it was $38, doesn’t make it right and I wore my black pants from my last job till I got the free ones.

When we started last year we were told don’t bother wasting our money on multiples of the blue uniform as it was changing very soon and the company would be required to purchase the new ones.

If I knew there was “professional” pilot lurking around the corner of the coffee stand in FLL airport with a color wheel judging if my uniform pants are the right shade of blue I might become self conscious.

They weren’t even dress pants. Pretty much faded blue jeans. Also you have the option to pay roll deduct any uniform item at a manageable rate.

You can’t tell me someone can’t afford to payroll deduct 2 pairs of pants. They could even use their old pilot shirts. So really all a new hire needs to spend to look halfway professional is a whole 130 bucks which can be payroll deducted. When our pilots look like a joke in public it’s hard to turn around the perception of our airline being a joke.

I know who can afford two pairs of pants: Spirit.
They want us to look professional, let them pay for it.


I will stop now, and agree to disagree.

Quoting Confucius to avoid answering a simple question is Sophistry, not revealing ancient wisdom.

Let’s do a what if:

What if a NMB mediator came to the conclusion that since senior pilots at an airline believe $57 an hour is an appropriate price for newbies there versus say $82 an hour at SWA, the pilot group itself had defined their worth as $57/82 or about 70% of that of the SWA newbies, that it would be appropriate to hold all pilots at that airline to 70% of the corresponding SWA payscale.

Would that strike you as reasonable? Or better yet, if your management made that argument to the NMB? Would you agree with it?

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