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Originally Posted by skigambia
(Post 2868855)
I'm not saying it's right. I'm not saying it's wrong. I'm simply saying, this is the reality.
Originally Posted by skigambia
(Post 2868595)
Dropped the ball? Far from. You don't waste negotiating capital on people who aren't on property. If the pay is preventing the company from getting quality candidates they will become very eager to go back to the negotiating table. In exchange for higher first year pay, the association will seek improvements in the contract that will help pilots who are on property and paying dues.
You explicitly INDORSED the tactic of screwing first year guys to drive down their quality to extort the company into paying the non-newbies more to ALLOW the company to pay the newbies a better salary. That is just WRONG on so many levels, from professionalism and pilot group unity to safety to just basic morality. Denying what you CLEARLY STATED is almost as reprehensible as stating it to begin with. Unless, perhaps, it reflects a little embarrassment that you actually said it to begin with. Even then you ought to be man enough to OWN IT, and admit that you were wrong to indorse it. |
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Wow, so nice to see guys getting fired up about the contract and negotiations! Hope to see y’all out there when we’re picketing in 2025!
Fact of the matter is we got what we deserved! Unity and event attendance was abysmal! Most apathetic bunch of pilots out there! A recall should’ve taken place as soon as the TRO hit. We lost all our leverage after that! Not only did we sell first year guys down the road, we also sold current and future reserve guys down the road! Bendo played us perfectly! Hats off to him! SWA, JETBLUE... all had guys pulling and fighting in the same direction! Event participation was off the charts! But hey, we got 40 guys out of 300 to show up at a picket event and guys that couldn’t put on a freaking lanyard! |
Originally Posted by sioux8ships
(Post 2869038)
Wow, so nice to see guys getting fired up about the contract and negotiations! Hope to see y’all out there when we’re picketing in 2025!
Fact of the matter is we got what we deserved! Unity and event attendance was abysmal! Most apathetic bunch of pilots out there! A recall should’ve taken place as soon as the TRO hit. We lost all our leverage after that! Not only did we sell first year guys down the road, we also sold current and future reserve guys down the road! Bendo played us perfectly! Hats off to him! SWA, JETBLUE... all had guys pulling and fighting in the same direction! Event participation was off the charts! But hey, we got 40 guys out of 300 to show up at a picket event and guys that couldn’t put on a freaking lanyard! Where were you guys at the picketing event where 40 Spirit guys showed up? The contract road shows in FLL that had 10 people show one day, conference calls with low participation...etc Apathetic as hell. You guys want industry leading or industry standard pay? Start putting in industry standard participation in the process. How many first year guys making $38.50/hr were picketing at the events, demanding a living wage for those hired after them? Not many. Until this group gets off its collective butts, it won’t change. Accept it or change it, this is a fact. |
Originally Posted by galleycafe
(Post 2869030)
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Originally Posted by sioux8ships
(Post 2869038)
Wow, so nice to see guys getting fired up about the contract and negotiations! Hope to see y’all out there when we’re picketing in 2025!
Fact of the matter is we got what we deserved! Unity and event attendance was abysmal! Most apathetic bunch of pilots out there! A recall should’ve taken place as soon as the TRO hit. We lost all our leverage after that! Not only did we sell first year guys down the road, we also sold current and future reserve guys down the road! Bendo played us perfectly! Hats off to him! SWA, JETBLUE... all had guys pulling and fighting in the same direction! Event participation was off the charts! But hey, we got 40 guys out of 300 to show up at a picket event and guys that couldn’t put on a freaking lanyard! Absolutely agree! I was sad to see so few people at the picketing events. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 2869010)
I beg to differ. What you said is:
You explicitly INDORSED the tactic of screwing first year guys to drive down their quality to extort the company into paying the non-newbies more to ALLOW the company to pay the newbies a better salary. That is just WRONG on so many levels, from professionalism and pilot group unity to safety to just basic morality. Denying what you CLEARLY STATED is almost as reprehensible as stating it to begin with. Unless, perhaps, it reflects a little embarrassment that you actually said it to begin with. Even then you ought to be man enough to OWN IT, and admit that you were wrong to indorse it. filler |
While your at it if you want to get paid like a legacy try dressing like one. Saw a guy in FLL with ridiculously faded light blue casual style pants and a Walmart blue tie. Was absolutely hideous looking.
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Originally Posted by MCDUmanipulator
(Post 2869068)
While your at it if you want to get paid like a legacy try dressing like one. Saw a guy in FLL with ridiculously faded light blue casual style pants and a Walmart blue tie. Was absolutely hideous looking.
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Originally Posted by MCDUmanipulator
(Post 2869068)
While your at it if you want to get paid like a legacy try dressing like one. Saw a guy in FLL with ridiculously faded light blue casual style pants and a Walmart blue tie. Was absolutely hideous looking.
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