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FLYBOYMATTHEW 08-04-2019 06:24 PM

What's this have to do with the stock price again?

Deathwish 08-04-2019 06:50 PM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2864813)
I said suck it up if they are odd. And some of the pilots I’ve been told are on that list are just that. It’s their only infraction. Weird pilots shouldn’t be on the same list as dangerous pilots or major A holes and that’s what I was getting at.

And when I say A holes I don’t mean someone that shares a technique or counsels you about following SOP.

I think that’s why the creator(s) of the list took the multi-tier approach.

Halon1211 08-04-2019 07:15 PM


Originally Posted by FLYBOYMATTHEW (Post 2864879)
What's this have to do with the stock price again?

Our shareholders got a hold of this list and that’s why it plunged 24%

Skydreams14 08-04-2019 07:45 PM


Originally Posted by GrumpyCaptain (Post 2864084)
Guys in the list at my old airline. They were terrifying to fly with and their personality made you want to punch them or cry.

Not sure the guys “on the list” at spirit are truly that bad? Just not as awesome as the other 99% maybe. I personally never put someone on my no fly list. I would even assume these listers aren’t on many no fly lists either.

If there was a list for Fo's i know i would be on it because i make captains cry after every trip because they can't punch me lol :)

Skydreams14 08-04-2019 07:49 PM


Originally Posted by Flightcap (Post 2863981)
Every airline has those. At Republic there was a captain whom the company actually asked to switch bases because so many FOs in his current base had him on their Do Not Fly list. The union protected his job too. I don't get it.

I call that winning if he stayed in the base and got pay protected for the canceled flights lol :D

TurboFan 08-04-2019 09:25 PM

There are multiple lists. I've seen screenshots of at least 3. I suspect these are mostly personal lists that someone has shared with a friend, who shared with another pilot, who shared to a chat somewhere...and now they've gone "viral". Having seen a few different lists, I can tell you one thing; almost all the names are the same. This isn't a coincidence.

Wanna see the "list"? Just go into FLICA and look at the FO open time. You'll see lots of sweet trips with the same names always attached to them. Almost every time I see a decent trip in DOT, I know why it's there. A quick click and check of the CA and I'd say 90% of the time my suspicions are confirmed.

I know the names, and I always give these pilots a chance; not once have I added someone to my no fly without actually flying with them. That being said, I've never been given bad info either...it's been my experience most of the warnings from others were valid.

Here's a novel idea...if your name is appearing on lists, you're always flying with RSV FO's, and pro-standards has talked to you 10 times...maybe stop being a **** to fly with. List or no list, FO's know who you are. Problem is I suspect most of these people don't care. As a matter of fact, I've literally had a few of these pilots tell me that FO's don't like them while we were on a trip. :rolleyes:

All that being said, it's important to state that those pilots are in an extreme minority here. With the exception of a few bad apples, this is the best group of pilots I've ever had the pleasure of flying with. Hopefully Pro Standards starts taking more aggressive action on the names that keep coming across their desk over and over... until then, people talk.

Cyio 08-05-2019 07:52 AM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2864069)
Or folks could put their big boy pants on. It’s work not a sorority. Are the folks making these lists the same ones that got their parents to talk to the principal and have their class changed bc the teacher was mean.

I’m not saying certain captains can’t conduct themselves better but life is full of bad teachers, horrible bosses, and annoying coworkers. You suck it up. At least that’s what I was taught and I’m a millennial.

This is a dangerous attitude to have. If someone is unsafe or makes the working conditions such that it become a distraction, these people need to be dealt with. Every airline has a list and in my experience, it is typically about 75% accurate. Some get on them for something stupid or someones feelings are hurt, but usually, everyone has the same group of Captains, so there is something to it.

There is zero reason to be an ******* in this job. If you cant offer constructive criticism or guidance without being a douche, that is a you problem, not a we problem. Go learn how to properly interact with your fellow employees.

If you are offended that a list exists, you may very well be the type that is on it. Hell, if I knew I was on said list, I would work damn hard on myself to figure out how I can improve my social skills, that's what "putting on your big boy pants is all about".

king10pin02 08-05-2019 08:26 AM


Originally Posted by Skydreams14 (Post 2864900)
I call that winning if he stayed in the base and got pay protected for the canceled flights lol :D

they had no pay protection when that capt, AF, was told to change bases....

Av viii 08-05-2019 09:38 AM

Who gives a S.....
It’s not a captains job to be liked. In fact, before this “feelings” revolution it was actually expected (and taught) Captains would “be friendly, but not familiar”.

I’ve been in flight decks now where the other guy expects me to act like his fraternity brother. That we are there to “have fun”. Well, I don’t agree with that. Just imagine some of these CVR’s playing on a 24 hr news loop. What would your families say?

Some of you younger guys will be captains soon enough. Then you’ll have to balance being friendly and hurting someones feelings because what they did was not SOP or professional. We can enjoy ourselves and keep the job safe. But I’m not there to be your friend.

CLRtoPush 08-05-2019 09:43 AM


Originally Posted by Av viii (Post 2865082)
Who gives a S.....
It’s not a captains job to be liked. In fact, before this “feelings” revolution it was actually expected (and taught) Captains would “be friendly, but not familiar”.

I’ve been in flight decks now where the other guy expects me to act like his fraternity brother. That we are there to “have fun”. Well, I don’t agree with that. Just imagine some of these CVR’s playing on a 24 hr news loop. What would your families say?

Some of you younger guys will be captains soon enough. Then you’ll have to balance being friendly and hurting someones feelings because what they did was not SOP or professional. We can enjoy ourselves and keep the job safe. But I’m not there to be your friend.

Bro is mad he made the list.


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