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Originally Posted by KCJake
(Post 2905719)
The FAA is dragging its feet. Spirit is just waiting.
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Originally Posted by verlthepearl
(Post 2897875)
I’m in the 11/11 class and I’ve read the posts about new hire training and that we’re supposed to know memory items, limitations and flows before day one but the only thing I’ve received so far from the company about training is a link to SumTotal which to me looks like just systems modules.
So I’m just wondering when and where they give you expectations of what to know on day 1 and where you find limitations, memory items and flows? Are they on SumTotal? Do they send it to you closer to class? I just want to get chewing on the elephant ASAP. Thanks in advance. |
Anyine here on November 18 class? If so, PM so we can exchange numbers!
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Just wondering when do you get hotel and class info?
I’m starting class exactly 2 weeks from today and I haven’t heard anything about a hotel or class start times? Other than the SumTotal link and general class timelines I received weeks ago, I haven’t heard much from the company. Maybe I’m just getting antsy. |
The week prior to your start date. Mine was on the Wednesday.
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Originally Posted by verlthepearl
(Post 2914049)
Just wondering when do you get hotel and class info?
I’m starting class exactly 2 weeks from today and I haven’t heard anything about a hotel or class start times? Other than the SumTotal link and general class timelines I received weeks ago, I haven’t heard much from the company. Maybe I’m just getting antsy. |
That’s awesome. Thank you.
PS: Is there anything you wish you would have done or not done before starting class? |
Originally Posted by verlthepearl
(Post 2914095)
That’s awesome. Thank you.
PS: Is there anything you wish you would have done or not done before starting class? |
Originally Posted by verlthepearl
(Post 2914095)
That’s awesome. Thank you.
PS: Is there anything you wish you would have done or not done before starting class? This app has all company flows and limitations flash cards and other system/oral type flash cards. It is a terrific app and absolutely worth the $50 some bucks that it is. |
Originally Posted by KCJake
(Post 2914101)
Flows, callouts, memory items, limitations. If you know those on day one, you’re ahead of the game.
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Originally Posted by Irishblackbird
(Post 2914148)
Did I miss something? My welcome package said Flows, limitations, and memory items. I don't see any mention of callouts. Where would those be located?
In the new hire flow guide, I believe it’s listed on the last few pages. However I think they just give you the approach call outs. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro |
Originally Posted by CAirBear
(Post 2914115)
Download the A320 Cockpit App (iPhone - not 100% sure about Android)
This app has all company flows and limitations flash cards and other system/oral type flash cards. It is a terrific app and absolutely worth the $50 some bucks that it is. Almost exclusively used that app to study and training went well. |
Originally Posted by Irishblackbird
(Post 2914148)
Did I miss something? My welcome package said Flows, limitations, and memory items. I don't see any mention of callouts. Where would those be located?
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As far as the flows go, did you find it easier to learn all of the fo flows first then all the capt flows or learn both at the same time for the same phase of flight?
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Originally Posted by 93Sierra
(Post 2914193)
As far as the flows go, did you find it easier to learn all of the fo flows first then all the capt flows or learn both at the same time for the same phase of flight?
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I don't have a personal iPad but seem to be doing okay with the paper cockpit. Definitely sending myself bonkers with the flows but slowly progressing. I found that combining all the memory items into a spreadsheet it makes it easier too.
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Originally Posted by KCJake
(Post 2914187)
The flow guide has the majority of them. It just doesn’t have the approach callouts or reading of the FMA. But, no. You didn’t miss something. Like I said, if you know all that, you’ll be ahead of the game.
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Originally Posted by Irishblackbird
(Post 2914317)
Thanks. With regard to the flows, the preliminary cockpit prep, does this have to be memorized as a flow? I noticed in the AOM normal procedures it say's it can be performed from memory or with the use of the AOM, it also says the same for PM/PF cockpit prep as well. So do the actual flows start with the Before Start Flow? Thanks!
The instructors will expect you to have them memorized. You will also get evaluated at the end of week two. The evaluation will be flows, DIFSRIP, ABBBA TOPHAT CANE, and call outs. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro |
From a previous pilots recommendation, I used 1stepprep.com for their oral prep and systems review. Excellent and guaranteed money back if you don’t pass. Their online videos were efficient and put together extremely well. Was a better learning experience and more efficient option then the “hey go read the AOM vol 1 your oral is in three weeks.”
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Originally Posted by phly
(Post 2914292)
I don't have a personal iPad but seem to be doing okay with the paper cockpit. Definitely sending myself bonkers with the flows but slowly progressing. I found that combining all the memory items into a spreadsheet it makes it easier too.
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The 1stepprep.com is very expensive and looks like its an ala cart system where you buy the individual modules or you can buy the different levels of membership. Just curious how you did it? Did buy separate modules or a certain membership?
Originally Posted by DrDHD
(Post 2914348)
From a previous pilots recommendation, I used 1stepprep.com for their oral prep and systems review. Excellent and guaranteed money back if you don’t pass. Their online videos were efficient and put together extremely well. Was a better learning experience and more efficient option then the “hey go read the AOM vol 1 your oral is in three weeks.”
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Originally Posted by verlthepearl
(Post 2914520)
The 1stepprep.com is very expensive and looks like its an ala cart system where you buy the individual modules or you can buy the different levels of membership. Just curious how you did it? Did buy separate modules or a certain membership?
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Originally Posted by KCJake
(Post 2914527)
Don’t pay for anything except maybe the A320 app (and even that isn’t imperative). The training is difficult, but not impossible. Spirit was my first 121 training and I made it through just studying the materials I was given and the A320 app. There’s no need to use your abysmal training pay on something unnecessary.
I have noticed that’s some of the flows are different from the published flows, for what it’s worth. |
Originally Posted by KCJake
(Post 2914527)
Don’t pay for anything except maybe the A320 app (and even that isn’t imperative). The training is difficult, but not impossible. Spirit was my first 121 training and I made it through just studying the materials I was given and the A320 app. There’s no need to use your abysmal training pay on something unnecessary.
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Which membership level did you buy? Thanks.
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Originally Posted by verlthepearl
(Post 2914563)
Which membership level did you buy? Thanks.
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Originally Posted by verlthepearl
(Post 2914520)
The 1stepprep.com is very expensive and looks like its an ala cart system where you buy the individual modules or you can buy the different levels of membership. Just curious how you did it? Did buy separate modules or a certain membership?
Hey buddy didn’t see this. Pay for the one month membership or three month and then cancel. It’s all included not alacarte. I think it’s 99 for 1 month or 150 for 3. Get the 320 app as well. It’s money well spent for both trust me. Unless you like pure reading an iPad app and the AOM. Couple guys in my class watched their stuff and it made the difference. We all learn different though! Good luck! |
Originally Posted by verlthepearl
(Post 2914550)
That’s awesome, thanks. The A320 app is great. Whenever I come across something that I don’t know what it is, I can just tap on the switch/system and read about it.
I have noticed that’s some of the flows are different from the published flows, for what it’s worth. I personally wouldn’t pay for the other program. |
Don’t forget the preambles on the memory items...
“TCAS, I have control”... A/P off Etc etc The preambles are in the very front of AOM vol 2 (why they aren’t attached to the memory items I have no idea) |
Originally Posted by Chunk
(Post 2914604)
Don’t forget the preambles on the memory items...
“TCAS, I have control”... A/P off Etc etc The preambles are in the very front of AOM vol 2 (why they aren’t attached to the memory items I have no idea) |
Originally Posted by Halon1211
(Post 2914640)
I hope they arnt making us recite that too on the oral. If so that’s stupid you have to hunt and dig through different manuals to compile the complete profile. I guess I better check the FAM as well to be sure there’s nothing in there.
Yes you are expected to recite it on the oral. It’s really not that difficult if you put an effort into it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro |
Originally Posted by Halon1211
(Post 2914640)
I hope they arnt making us recite that too on the oral. If so that’s stupid you have to hunt and dig through different manuals to compile the complete profile. I guess I better check the FAM as well to be sure there’s nothing in there.
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Originally Posted by Sheg0theD
(Post 2914644)
Yes you are expected to recite it on the oral. It’s really not that difficult if you put an effort into it.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro As far as I’m concerned it’s it not in the double line box in Com Vol. 1 for the memory iteams then I’m not going to memorize it. |
Originally Posted by Halon1211
(Post 2914714)
That’s not what I’m arguing. It’s stupid they make it your responsibility to put bits and pieces of different manuals together to make the required call out.
As far as I’m concerned it’s it not in the double line box in Com Vol. 1 for the memory iteams then I’m not going to memorize it. Word is also a revision is coming which clarifies that the CA is always the PF on the ground. Seems these flow ideas are not going well |
Originally Posted by Halon1211
(Post 2914714)
That’s not what I’m arguing. It’s stupid they make it your responsibility to put bits and pieces of different manuals together to make the required call out.
As far as I’m concerned it’s it not in the double line box in Com Vol. 1 for the memory iteams then I’m not going to memorize it. |
Originally Posted by Sheg0theD
(Post 2914320)
The instructors will expect you to have them memorized. You will also get evaluated at the end of week two. The evaluation will be flows, DIFSRIP, ABBBA TOPHAT CANE, and call outs.
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Originally Posted by 93Sierra
(Post 2914752)
Can you explain to an idiot what those acronyms are? Thanks
You will learn them by week two. DIFSRIP and ABBBA is an actual acronym, but tophat and cane is not. Just a flow pattern. Data Init A Flt Plan Sec FPLN Rad Nav Init B PROG PERF Atis Build Book Brief Approach |
Thank you, really appreciate it. Trying hard to prepare, only have so many penguins on this iceberg.
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Originally Posted by Chunk
(Post 2914604)
Don’t forget the preambles on the memory items...
“TCAS, I have control”... A/P off Etc etc The preambles are in the very front of AOM vol 2 (why they aren’t attached to the memory items I have no idea) |
A320 app
I don't have an apple product, iPhone or ipad. Is this something we can download on the company ipad when it is issued, or will it be to late by then to have much use? I have been doing it the old fashioned way, paper tiger, and printed out flows. Like others have said this has been rather arduous.
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