New hire training
 

I’m in the 11/11 class and I’ve read the posts about new hire training and that we’re supposed to know memory items, limitations and flows before day one but the only thing I’ve received so far from the company about training is a link to SumTotal which to me looks like just systems modules.
So I’m just wondering when and where they give you expectations of what to know on day 1 and where you find limitations, memory items and flows? Are they on SumTotal? Do they send it to you closer to class?
I just want to get chewing on the elephant ASAP.
Thanks in advance.

Hey there! You'll notice in the SumTotal there's also links to documents. The flows are in the "Flow Guide". The limitations and memory items are in AOM (aircraft operating manual) Volume 2, towards the beginning. Only bold-italic limitations are required to be memorized. Hack: the documents can all be downloaded to your computer for easy access.

The limitations are in Com 1.


Use the search function in sumtotal and you'll find everything.

You need to search:
Com1
AOM2
Flow guide

You're right, my mistake, it's in the COM.

COM->Performance-> Limitations

Right after the Limitations Section is a section for Memory Items and Proficiency Items.

I personally bookmark those in the COM-> Emergency/Abnormal Section.

Also look up “Crew Coordination” in the COM. This will provide mandatory call outs that pair with certain Memory Items and other emergencies.

Make sure that the documents are up to date and current. We recently had a fairly large change to the flows. When I was hired the manuals that I received (found out later) for my new hire class were two revisions out of date. Luckily for me there were no big changes. I recently did my SumTotal for recurrent and the flows presented were not up to date. They were the old flows. I have no idea how you would get the current publications if they’re not on sumtotal.

We had a guy in our class that studied the wrong limitations and he could not get the correct ones in his head in time. He was let go.

Our IT department leaves a lot to be desired.

So the flows/limitations in Sumtotal today are wrong? Trying to study and get ahead but definitely don’t want to be doing negative learning....

Here are the current version numbers:

Flow guide - Version 8 revised 8/15/2019
AOM Volume 1 - Revision 19-03 Effective 9/6/2019
AOM Volume 2 - Revision 19-03 Effective 9/6/2019
COM Volume 1 - Revision 19-03 Effective 9/5/2019
COM Volume 2 - Revision 19-03 Effective 9/6/2019
Operating Bulletins - 19-21R Effective 9/27/2019

Sure enough, everything we were given in Sumtotal is out of date by one revision. Can anyone tell us what's different with the latest versions?

Haha...welcome to Spirit...how about you reach out to the training department and let them know its out of date and you would like to know how to fix it.

Dont be "scared" or rocking the boat. Make sure the info given to you is accurate, this is your career.

If you do a search in the library in Sumtotal you can find the 19-03 revisions.

I know someone posted this info somewhere else but I'll be buggered if I can find it. Can someone please shed some light on the different series of tail numbers and limitations? Do we know have to know all the different limitations for all the different tails and what is the difference between them? Is it the model and/or type of winglet that is different?
Thanks in advance

Most of the limitations aren’t by tail number but by type (319/320/321/NEO). Most of the limitations are same except weights, some auto pilot stuff, fuel imbalance, engine stuff on NEOs, etc...


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The 500s are 319s.
The 900s are NEOs.
600s are divided into 320s, 321, and sharklets. You’ll start to recognize them the more you study.

Awesome, thank you all for the help.

small addition: 600 also jet pumps vs fuel pumps

65x to 68x are 321s, all have sharklets

So showing up for class, we should have all the limitations, all of the 500 (lol)different flows, and memory items down? I assume also completed the 33 CBT courses we get registered for in SumTotal, meaning pretty decent systems knowledge?

Anything else?

The flows seem confusing, like who is doing what role etc.

I wouldn’t focus so much on CBTs right now. More so on flows, profiles, call outs, limitations, memory items, and proficiency items


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We did our CBTs during our go-home week. That’s what was recommended and that’s what the go-home week is for. I was *familiar* with the flows when I got on property, but in no way did I have them memorized. I did have the limitations and memory items down.

Just know the flows, limitations, memory items, and prof items by day 1. You don't really wanna be spending time trying to memorize the PF before start flow when you need to be learning what the normal law protections are, and all the other knowledge needed to have a successful oral exam.

Which flows are you studying? They are very straight forward in AOM Vol 2. Rev 19-03, and on the flow guide.
25 flows, 59 limitations, and 5 memory items.

Don’t get sick in training. Sleep well, and eat healthy. If you get sick for anything beyond a few days you’ll most likely be sent home......

Personal experience? Anything to back that up with?

For flow purposes, left seat is always captain and PM and the right is FO and PF.

Happened to a fellow new hire.

That's rough, guy I knew a few years ago got 3 weeks at home before they called him. He wasn't even sick, just needed some time at home.

Is that a threat? People get sick dude.

He isn’t the one who sent the guy home and told him to reapply in ninety days; Spirit is.

I think now if you miss more than 3 days you forfeit your seniority number and restart in a later class

If it is exactly how you describe it: guy gets the flu, Spirit sends him home permanently, that sucks! But as we all know there are always two sides to every story.

That’s how it was presented to us by the training department during indoc (that if you miss more than a few days, you would just be placed in a later class). I fully admit I don’t necessarily know the full story from both sides; but a guy got sick, had to resign from training, and was told to reapply in ninety days.

This is correct.

Can anyone who has gone through initial recently give a run down on the itinerary, what happens on what days? Someone posted a detailed day to day summary a few years ago which was helpful. If someone had the time, it would be appreciated.
Also, on week 3 the home study week, are you given the option of staying at the hotel or do you have to leave?
Thank you.

You have to vacate the hotel.

Week 1: All Indoc stuff. Death by ppt and pool day on Friday.
Week 2: Morning Indoc, afternoon CPT (paper tiger with MCDU simulator) phase check on last CPT on flow knowledge.
Week 3: Homestudy CBTs.
Week 4: 1 day of Indoc stuff, 4 days of CPT (touchscreen trainer)
Week 5: 4 days of CPTs (with phase check on profiles, system knowledge, flows...basically a mock oral and flows check) followed by your type Oral.
Week 6: 4 FTDs (basically everything but the motion on)
Week 7: 5 sims with checkride.
After checkride, LOFT (CAT 2/3 training) and EET.

Have to leave the hotel.

Great info, thank you all.

Sorry if I missed it, but what is the status of the AQP program at Spirit? Last I heard was possibly by the end of this year, or so. Thanks.

The FAA is dragging its feet. Spirit is just waiting.

Last I heard was maybe 2Q of next year.