Crew coordination.

You can do it when you get there. When I got on property, I knew the limitations cold but was only familiar with the flows, not proficient by any means. I had to do a lot of studying the first week, but I got it all without issue.

If you can bounce a tennis ball on the wall and recite the flows without hesitation then you’ll be way ahead of the curve.

KNOW THE FLOWS
Know the limitations.
Know memory items.

IMO opinion in that order of importance. I can’t say that enough. When you have an instructor and three other people watching you, and that shiny new touchscreen all staring at you, you’ll wish you knew them without hesitation and complete confidence. The oral questions are asked as you work your way through the flows with some examiners.

I’ll be that guy... I didn’t know anything showing up 4 years ago. I made it through fine but it added a bunch of unnecessary stress. The more you know showing up the more you can study other stuff and not feel like you’re getting behind the curve. If you’re new to 121 even more reason to study up before getting there.

People need to stop making it seem like it’s impossible and that they expect you to know everything on the first day of Indoc. All it does is add stress to an already stressful situation because no one is going to be 100% prepared the day you walk in. Just try and study as much as you can before showing up (start with the memorization of flows), have a good attitude, study what they tell you when you get there and you’ll do fine.


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So here is my thing. I am studying bold faced items from the COM for limitations but for ex. 502 - 698NK it has the min oil temp bolded but for other types/ tail numbers it doesnt have the min oil temp bolded. I mean why does that not matter and moreover I am just reading the idea of what is bolded as to what you need to study wrong? Every limitation has a bold header for example but im just writing down the ones where the actual value line etc is also bold. Is this correct?

confusing / frustrating to say the least. Yes would like be prepared but dont want to study things that I dont need too right now to leave some extra space in the ole noggin

thanks.

ps.
there must be a study sheet somewhere that someone would like to share on these.

I'm going to be that guy. I showed up knowing what Spirit told me to know on day 1. Limitations. Memory items. And familiar with the flows. Spirit gives every pilot ample time to learn and practice flows during the ground portion of training in front of a paper tiger, FMS, and touch screen trainers. Also, spirit will give you all the source material (and there is a lot of it) that instructors and check airman draw from. There is no need to go outside to find materials to study from. Now, if one desires to go above and beyond and purchase apps, videos, on line tutorials, and more, then have at it. But, everything you need to know to be successful in Spirits training program is provided to you by Spirit. Disclosure: I am a former Part 61 instructor, Part 135 and Part 125 pilot with no previous Part 121 experience. The training at Spirit was easier and less stressful than the training I did in Part 135. The only people in my initial class at Spirit that were stressed were those that brought it on themselves.

When did you go through training? When I went through they said if you know the flows you’ll be ahead of the game... All they sent me was a flow guide, a cockpit mockup, some HR documents, and slip for a LabCorp drug test.


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That sounds about right. I went through in 2014.

Not OP, but I am on OE right now. This was my first 121 training and I showed up less prepared than I’d like to have been. I knew 90% of the limitations, <50% of the memory items, and I’d say around 25% of the flows.

I was still at my other job up to the Friday before I started at Spirit so I just didn’t have time to study. By the end of my first week, I knew all the flows. By the end of my second week, I was good on all the limitations and memory items. I had to study a lot, but I did it. I did it using the A320 app because I forgot my paper tiger at home. So I went all the way through training without it. Also, my sim partner and I never met outside of training and we both passed with no problems.

com 2, 3.9.4

Let us know what your Examiner/check airman says when you tell him that.

It’s good to hear the positive stories and I appreciate everyone’s advice and info.
I’m assuming the dress code during class and sim is business casual? Is a nice pair of jeans acceptable?

No jeans allowed. Khakis or slacks unfortunately.


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Thank you!

Everyone has been great and all the help is much appreciated.
Think I just have one more question to quiet all those weird questions that pop into my mind at 3am:
Where do we stay during training? Is it the Marriott by Bass Pro Shop where they do the interviews?
Are there any grocery stores around to pick up bologna and white bread for lunch?
Thanks.

Sheraton in plantation. Publix within walking distance

Why we don’t put people up at the Residence Inn, 3 minutes away from the TC, is completely stupid.

People get 3-4 dinners a week covered, a comfortable large apartment style room which is suitable for 4-6 weeks of living in.

The Sheraton was okay, but not at all close. Everyone in my class brought their car, but if you had to actually take the van every day...

At least there is a ton around the hotel, but we can do better.

not having a full size fridge was a big problem to. It’s just your typical hotel mini fridge.

I start class Nov 18th and I plan on driving down, but it depends on if I’m going to be sent to Dallas for training. I live in Dallas and I don’t want to drive my truck 20 hours away, just to be sent home for training sessions for a few weeks. Will we have our full schedule before we go, so I can make that decision?

The general footprint doesn’t really change, the first 3-4 weeks you will be doing the same thing with your other classmates, so make a friend with a car.

Once you start doing the procedures trainers and sims, you and your sim partner will have slightly different event times and days off from other classmates, so if he/she does not have a car, it would be more handy to have a ride.

In other words, if you want to save a drive you could wait until after your week home for systems study and then drive down for the “second half” when it’s much more handy to have your own wheels.

Edit: that is if you do your sims in FLL

That's what I'm asking. When do we find out if our sims are in FLL or DFW? If I know ahead of time that I'm staying in FLL, I'm driving, but if my sims are in DFW, I'm not.

I’ll let you know

I'm in the 4 Nov class and got our training footprint yesterday. The guys going to DFW are only scheduled to be there one week during the FTD phase. Rest in FLL.

Do you guys really have to learn different limitations for each of the four airplane models on property? Sounds brutal!

Had an oral on Sunday and was asked what is VMO/MMO not boldin

Just saying know your **** and more.

350/mach .82 mach

Just make some study cards with all limitation items and study them and go for a walk and recite them

Am I missing the sarcasm in this, or are you joking?

The more you know about the airframe you going to fly is the better option

Must be examiner specific. It might be beneficial to know some of that **** but not required. I knew a lot of the non-bolded limitations but only because I had seen them and happened to remember them. Not a requirement.

About half of my class went to Dallas for FTDs. None for sims. They found out they were going to Dallas around the time they took their orals. So if you want to just wing it up until then, you’d probably be good. I drove to training and I’d say having my car was most beneficial after the oral.

Our COO wears jeans and an untucked polo to work everyday and makes 7 figures.

Yes and the sky is blue, not sure what your point is.




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MMO/VMO is a bold item.

There is a good video on YouTube that goes through the DIFSRIPP process for those who’d like to know. Just FYI.

https://youtu.be/bsiLiwt_18U

:rolleyes:

Ill let you decide why this is a point...

For those of you who think that the “preamble” is part of the memory item, could you point out where it is in the COM Vol. 1 memory items?

To further drive home my point, after reciting a memory item to the examiner or checkairman on your oral, do you also have to recite to them that you will follow up with any applicable ECAM actions, COM procedure, PAX, or FA announcement???

Well of course you would. But why isn’t that listed under the memory items?

Bottom line. If it’s not listed under memory item, guess what? It’s not a memory item. And if someone tells you differently then tell them to show you where it says it’s a memory item.

Ask them “so are you wanting me to walk you through the entire emergency event? Or do you just want to know just the memory items”? Big difference!

Haha...yeah because a probie new hire is going to do that to an APD on their type oral.

The preamble call out is beyond stupid, but until they change it, cooperate and graduate.

Why do we have to memorize gear speeds when they are in the plane? Max landing weights?....Cooperate and graduate

I’m not arguing with what we are having to memorize. My argument is let me know what I have to memorize.

When I start to study for a PC, I shouldn’t have to learn from APC that the preamble is part of the memory item (which it isn’t...) I should know because it is listen under the memory item section.

Just like bold and italic items are limitations you need to know.

It needs to be standardized. Plain and simple.

Yes I know “cooperate to graduate” and I know a newbie isn’t going to say anything. But if you really really wanted, you could take this to the director of training and say “hey I was asked on my oral about memory iteams, I repeated it verbatim and I was told it was wrong”.