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Old 11-30-2019, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by BeechedJet View Post
What are these numbers based off of???
Just curious why you chose three question marks?
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Old 11-30-2019, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by RemoveB4flght View Post
More or less 72 hours @ year 1 and year 2 pay after taxes

If you fly often on reserve the per diem offsets most of your contributions (401k, medical etc) during the first year pay.

It has been discussed exhaustively in other threads about possibilities to earn over guarantee, but it would be wise to budget first year pay assuming you will not break the 72 hours.
2nd year pay: $106.5. x 72hrs = lets not lie to the kids.

I know what my guarantee pay is and it ain't even close to $7600 after taxes and that's senior to second year.
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Old 11-30-2019, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by BeechedJet View Post
2nd year pay: $106.5. x 72hrs = lets not lie to the kids.

I know what my guarantee pay is and it ain't even close to $7600 after taxes and that's senior to second year.
Those weren’t my calculations, I’m guessing the year two number was his personal average? But yes I agree, that’s before tax at guarantee.

Year 2 if you can hold a line (possible in some bases) and you’re a worker and want to swap a pick up and credit 90-100 then sure, $7600 after taxes is possible even without premium pay.
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So these are bust your ass numbers, gotcha, makes sense.
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Old 11-30-2019, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by BeechedJet View Post
So these are bust your ass numbers, gotcha, makes sense.
...and here come the "it's very possible in ____ base to block >70 credit 100+ with 16+ off! I make $100k, $150k, $200k, $250k while enjoying more off time than ____ pilots!" posts.
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Old 11-30-2019, 11:34 AM
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I don’t see how $7600 per month pre tax is an outlandish number for year 2 pay? Obviously everyone’s actual take home will vary by state and other factors but just taking our min guarantee which is 72 hours and multiplying it by the rate $106 currently it gives you $7600. I’m legitimately curious how else are you supposed to come up with a rough income number ?
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Old 11-30-2019, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by BeechedJet View Post
So these are bust your ass numbers, gotcha, makes sense.
To clarify yes, to get 7600 on year two after taxes second year would take some manipulation for higher credit trips and pick ups and less than normal minimum days off. Bust your ass/bit of luck.

First year (57 x 72 = 4104 and guess 20% taxes ~ 3300 net). Assumptions being: No premium pay, and You will most likely be on reserve and breaking guarantee by 5-10 hours isn’t a significant increase.

Depending what month you are hired/finish training/released to the line can affect what amount of a fiscal year you spend at each pay rate. For instance I hit the annual pay bump mid year, so my annual salary doesn’t reflect a full year at a given pay. Of course once you are past year 2 pay the increase is much less drastic so the salary normalizes until you upgrade.
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Old 11-30-2019, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Shangri La View Post
I don’t see how $7600 per month pre tax is an outlandish number for year 2 pay? Obviously everyone’s actual take home will vary by state and other factors but just taking our min guarantee which is 72 hours and multiplying it by the rate $106 currently it gives you $7600. I’m legitimately curious how else are you supposed to come up with a rough income number ?
Those are the gross income numbers, not the net.
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Old 11-30-2019, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by hellorod View Post
Been hoping someone asks someone along these línes... I want to add to the question.

On reserve how much flexibility do you have on your schedule?
Can you bid when your reserve blocks are?
Are there morning, mid day or night RAPs? Can you choose preference?
Can you do less than blocks of 6 days on?
Can you get more than 4 days off in row?
Can you pick up open time?
Are you straight reserve till you get a line or do you get consolidation lines every couple of months?
And lastly... how long is reserve time until you can enjoy the benefits of being a line holder in let’s say ORD?

Thank you!
1. We lost flexibility with this contract. No dropping. Trade with other crew member yes.
2. We have a huge problem with PBS and reserve bidding. The system either honors the specific RAP you want or the days off you want. Not both. You would think the union would have found a solution around the system but no. On top of that, day offs bid can backfire for coverage award. If you don’t care which days off you get, you can prioritize the RAP.
3. RAPs depend on base and month. For example FLL has R3, R7, R10 and R19.
the number represents the starting time and ends 14hrs later. Last day of a block of RAP you could auto release 6 hrs prior if not used. R19 would give you more time off.
4. You could bid for a maximum of 6 RAPs in a row (5 for R19) and the min will be determined every month by crew planning. For example, min RAP block in FLL in Dec is 4.
5. Depending how you bid, you could get more than 4 days off in a row, but you’ll definitely will work the same number of RAPs.
6. No open time pickup on reserve. You can list on days off for x/y list but it’s hard to be legal.
7. After OE you get a relief line with all the privileges of a line holder. The first month you’re eligible to bid, you get what your seniority can hold, so... yeah reserve. No going back to consolidation.
8. Holding a line in ORD could take a while. Maybe 8-12 months. Maybe an ORD can chime in.
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Old 11-30-2019, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by BeechedJet View Post
Those are the gross income numbers, not the net.
Correct which is why I said pre tax but with out knowing what state your in for effective tax rate, and other variables all you can reliably give to a stranger on the internet would be the gross numbers.
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