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Old 04-17-2020 | 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by SlimBob
The economy doesn't move unless people spend their money. And a certain cheeto in Chief won't get re-elected unless the economy is moving. Now I'm all for fiscal responsibility, but some people live pay check to pay check or with fixed income no matter the state of the economy. And a $20 ticket will be just too irresistible to most.
I agree. And that is the problem. People may not want to spend their money. The economy in their house comes first. Whether somebody gets elected or not (I agree with you) will be known in November.

I agree with your points. What happens or does not happen will be seen in the coming weeks.
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Old 04-17-2020 | 05:47 AM
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85+ % of the country are still employed and those 20 million or so that aren’t have been getting unemployment plus the stimulus money. Going to be plenty of people jumping all over cheap travel towards mid summer.
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Old 04-17-2020 | 06:19 AM
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A new sense of fiscal responsibility?

The greater majority of Americans haven’t run a household budget in their lives, and aren’t going to let this or some financial straits stop them from getting loose from the house for the first time in 90 days. Particularly the younger crowd that suffers from some impulse control issues and the illusion of invulnerability. Remember those packed beaches in Georgia, Florida and other locales? Yeah. That crowd is still out there in droves. The feel they deserve to get out and about, and want to do it right the heck now. Particularly with ripping deals out there at the various get away locations.

And we we don’t need them to sit with a full boat of strangers to get by until things really get back on track. Full cleanings, temperature checks empty middle seats and things of that nature will be enough to convince folks to half full our tubes. And that’s all we need for now.

Lets be honest, braving airports and semi packing an Airbus is really no different than asking your family to stop and use public gas station restroom 3+ times on their way to see the extended family, except that there won’t be any half assed social distance protocols going on at the Texaco potty stop.

Businesses are going to want to get back to work too, but they’ll be under the restriction of employees telling them to pound sand until they are assured of a high level of safety. And there a lot of things like conventions and other gatherings that are simply no longer feasible for the business traveller right now.

I believe there will be a massive surge of leisure travel once people feel that it’s semi safe to get out. Demand will probably taper a bit after that initial surge once the public gets that particularly itch scratched. Hopefully we’ll have treatments and therapies well on their way to fruition at that point.

But a trip down to Home Depot will show you that people aren’t overly worried about catching Corona. Nor are they suffering from a lack of will to spend money they may or may not have.
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Old 04-17-2020 | 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by SlimBob
The economy doesn't move unless people spend their money. And a certain cheeto in Chief won't get re-elected unless the economy is moving. Now I'm all for fiscal responsibility, but some people live pay check to pay check or with fixed income no matter the state of the economy. And a $20 ticket will be just too irresistible to most.
Americans owes nearly $1 trillion in credit cards debt (as of February), which is an all time high. For many people, a good deal will be more important than how they will pay for it, or how much. You think many people would learn from 2008. Pay check to pay check, or fixed income, people will spend irresponsibly. Why do you think they are living pay check to pay check in the first place?
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Old 04-17-2020 | 06:23 AM
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I think there’s already a large segment of our society that’s already going to go out, whether the country/state is open or not. It’s denying our fundamental freedoms and government suppression is what they think of this lockdown. “I’m going to go protest against the govt....” mentality.

I think it was interesting seeing the photos of the protesters, they’re all armed with their rifles and half are wearing masks and the other half not. And they definitely don’t think they should be social distancing.
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Old 04-17-2020 | 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by senecacaptain
taking the money and accepting the government's position that flying continues to those 25 cities ?



So basically all of the airlines are flying a bunch of empty airplanes around, to keep the food court at the airport open
Where'd you find a food court open!?!

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Old 04-17-2020 | 07:29 AM
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So are we taking the money or not? And does our May schedule already account for all the required destinations? I hope we get an update soon.
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Old 04-17-2020 | 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotMechanic
So are we taking the money or not? And does our May schedule already account for all the required destinations? I hope we get an update soon.
barring any news, if we don't see service re-started within the next 14 or so days, we will know.

Spirit must resume services to these points (with the exception of Aguadilla, PR), consistent with the provisions of its Service Obligation and Ordering Paragraph 5 of Order 2020-4- 2, within 7 business days of receiving financial assistance under the CARES Act
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Old 04-17-2020 | 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by SirHelios
Agreed, but FIFY. Politicians just sign off on the paperwork and maybe make some suggestions. The Big 3 want NK gone.
perhaps they do, in fact, almost certainly they do. But right now all three are simply trying to avoid bankruptcy and their international exposure - in terms of aircraft poorly suited for domestic flying and senior people disproportionately holding type ratings in precisely that equipment - puts them at a hellacious disadvantage. They are going to have to support all that idle inventory and workforce from the revenue from the domestic loads that may be “thin” for quite awhile during which time NK and F9 will have far less overhead and a more efficient product with pilots who can fly any aircraft in the fleet, probably mostly A319/A320s for awhile but A321s when loads start to warrant them.

The Big Three have THEIR work cut out for them merely staying afloat themselves.
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Old 04-17-2020 | 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by senecacaptain
barring any news, if we don't see service re-started within the next 14 or so days, we will know.

Spirit must resume services to these points (with the exception of Aguadilla, PR), consistent with the provisions of its Service Obligation and Ordering Paragraph 5 of Order 2020-4- 2, within 7 business days of receiving financial assistance under the CARES Act
They already have those stations coming back online for May, and they planned for it weeks ago. These’s no reason not to take the money, if we are already planning on flying to those stations long before the final DOT’s ruling. I wouldn’t be surprise if they delay the money, so the 7 days line up with May’s planned schedule.
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