this will ONLY occur if Pelosi and gang cave to the Republicans and "come to" the Republicans with their hats in hand, asking for a deal.

Even then, airline payroll support is not mentioned at all.

Congress is reportedly recessed until Sept 14

Mnuchin comments today: https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/...61330891239425

Dead on arrival or not, it is the responsibility of the Senate to do their ****ing job and pass their version. If the President vetoes what blended version the Congress passes, it’s on him. Like or dislike what’s in HR6800, the House did their job; they passed something, a few months ago in fact. The Senate as usual has done squat and had ample time to negotiate with the House, or to pass their own version and meet in conference..... But, McConnell chose to do NOTHING...

I Don't disagree

Remember this on 11/3 if you live in KY...

one hundred percent truth

Yeah exactly, because adding trillions in debt to subsidize airline pilot jobs so we can all sit around is all that matters.

I found a super senior captain right here.

Well, the National debt is over 26,600,000,000,000, or 860,000 per tax payer or 80,000 per citizen.

Or a drop in the bucket for the top 1 percenters.

It’s working out well for NYC. Ask Cuomo, he will buy y’all a drink or make dinner! I’m begging, come back!

it only take $521k for salary or about 10M net worth to be in the top 1% in the US. Not exactly a drop in the bucket for all those in the 1%

You say only like it's water off a duck's back, but only 1% of this country are at that point.... It's no small feat. Personally, I'm 'only' in the top 2-3% for my age for both net worth and income.... I guess I'm slacking.

Now is actually a good time to be short sighted and not big picture.

Being on reserve especially as a commuter isn’t sitting around. Further those not on reserve are working everyday and if those below them weren’t on reserve they would be and they would be sitting around “doing nothing”. Pre Covid all airlines had reserves and many “did nothing” as you incorrectly describe.

Further, in your lifetime tell me how the national debt increasing has affected your life in any way for the worse? And while it’s the highest it’s ever been it’s not the highest it’s ever been as a percentage of GDP. We aren’t Greece. We actually can spend our way out of this.

I’m not advocating for an endless welfare state because if you never get back to producing then servicing the debt does become a problem, but spending big for a short term crisis actually makes perfect sense. As long as GDP grows faster than the debt over time it literally never has to be paid back in its entirety. Old pieces get paid off as new pieces get added. This can go on forever as long as GDP over time grows at a faster rate than the debt. 2020 is a point on chart and while this year the debt will grow and GDP will contract it’s only a small point in history. You obviously cannot do it forever but history shows that not spending enough now will cost more on revenues later than you save today.

Your life and finances have a finite horizon. The United States does not. Stop thinking about it like your household budget.

Actually our GDP to debt ratio isn’t that great. By a long shot.
136.6%

Thanks for looking that up on Wikipedia. Not sure where I would get that wealth of information without you Boy Scout.
I just don’t want my grandchildren’s children and their children paying for it. Maybe with Covid, there will be a baby bump and increase GDP 30 years from now.

again, a point in time. You obviously cannot deficit spend and cut taxes forever. But not spending a lot on Covid relief (short term big problem) will cost the country much more in revenues down line than it would save now by not spending it. Crisis stimulus isn’t like social security of welfare. It’s a short term solution for a short term problem.

not off wiki btw, but it’s misinformation that the national debt is a big scary thing and a valid reason to not spend stimulus money on a crisis when it’s very much needed. Also the airlines as a whole got less than $50 billion of a multi trillion dollar package. Keeping the airlines solvent and held together for now is worth the relative small dollars. Why? Because it’s an investment that will pay back more in future tax revenues and law makers know it but unfortunately their kitchen table economist constituents don’t.

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and if for no other reason, if you are a pilot think of all the money you’ve paid in taxes in years past. Look at this as getting some of it back. If you’re too senior to be furloughed or downgraded look at as in investment in your job security (stability of the company). And if the feds won’t grant the airlines the money who do you think they will look to for the grant. at the very least an investment in your relative seniority that will slide back if your brothers are let go.

I’m not saying it’s nothing, just stating you don’t have to be a billionaire to be in that group. I got my violin ready if you need it though.

Just razzing you. I agree with most of what you are saying. I think that’s what’s sustaining the market right now. Peeps are still spending on non essential goods and services. The $600 extra in unemployment as well as the stimulus have many feeling rich. It’s helping drive the economy and keep it from taking a nose dive.
I just don’t agree with another stimulus that has so much pork that is non Covid.

...And Shumer decided to do nothing. There, you were missing part of the sentence. You can't have far left radical wants and propose that as "a deal," then tell their Republican counterparts they need to come to the center. It was a disingenuous comment plain and simple, partisan hack politics, and yes-I blame both sides. But to put this solely on McConnell is wrong too. Remember 49-51 is not negotiations.

Did I miss something? Is Schumer the Majority Leader? Can the minority leader bring bills to the floor for a vote? Was anything passed by a single committee in the Senate? Just curious....

I didn’t say the Republican Senate needed to come to the center, I said they needed to do SOMETHING.... Pass something...

inflation will wipe out the deficit. No need to be worried.

Sorry to resurrect and old thread, but didn't want to start a new one. Is Spirit still making schedule adjustments? If I am looking at flights mid/end of April that I could use to commute on, do you guys think those flights will operate or how much last minute canceling is Spirit doing? Thanks.

We have a townhall in a few days. Perhaps someone will ask and we can give you a more accurate answer. Outside of the snowpocalypse I have had any flights cancel.

What I took away from the town hall is yes, schedule adjustments are happing and will continue. Being nimble is one of the tactics we will be using

I think the tactic is to lead capacity and force the legacies to follow suit until their higher CASM and overall cash burn forces them to give up and retrench. Then use their unused gates to go after their fortress hubs. Whether it will work or not remains to be seen, but you don’t hire pilots and order new jets to park them and furlough them...

Yes, we had many March cancellations after bidding. So what they thought at the beginning of Feb would be our schedule changed by March 1st.

What’re we up to now anyways???

I said q2-q3 2022 on page 4 just under a year ago...

If someone would have bet me a year ago there would be no furloughs, no concessions, and a bunch of us would take 50 hours to sit home and grow beards in the next year, I would have lost it all. Add in the fact we are now hiring, still shocked.

I agree. I guess the real metric should be not returning to 750/day (though that is the heart of the thread), but what calendar year will we have 4 quarters of profits?

2022...that is a bet I would feel better about laying cash down on.

Q1 is the BIG outlier... our least profitable quarter.... If we are profitable in Q1 2022, that would be HIUGE! I’m going with 2023 (just between the two of us, $50). If we’re both wrong, we’ll drink together at the next union get together during our next negotiation...

Deal.......

Thanks for the info! Looks like they already made some adjustments, as the flights are no longer available now!

Are there any plans to bring back the 319s? I went through MZJ last week and it looked like most of the fleet was still there.

Yes. We are bringing them back. Should be at 100% returned by end of year/Q1 ‘22.

I flew one yesterday....

make sure you check your dot Zs. We couldn’t get a load close out and take off numbers because they showed 19 passengers in zone 1.

and the rampers loaded the bags in CP1 first...

had to get the rampers to move everything to CP4. And after we figured out what was wrong got a new dot z with 8 pax max in zone 1.

it’s even more fun when they give you an ALS that has the bags in cp4 but they are actually loaded incorrectly into cp1. I’ve seen this more than once.

That's good to hear! :cool:

I can’t wait for the A139neo’s

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