Union reps don’t seem too concerned about this stuff, so I wouldn’t expect anything to be done

Too junior for rationale.

I did but more importantly to help some other employee somewhere.

I brought this up in a next thread, didn’t the FAA exempt the 90 day landing currency 121.439(a) in the list of exemption due to the covid19. Link to exemption:

https://ops.group/blog/wp-content/up...ace-months.pdf

I may be wrong but that appears to have been filed on the behalf of Airlines for America, of which Spirit does not belong. So that may explain why we are not exempt.

This is from the exemption:

“Because A4A is a trade association and not a certificate holder, it cannot be granted an exemption from FAA operating requirements. Accordingly, the FAA will grant the relief requested by A4A to its members and all part 119 certificate holders conducting training and qualification under part 121 when requested. To make this exemption effective, each affected certificate holder must submit to the FAA a request in the form of a Letter of Intent to use this exemption and affirm its intentions to comply with the conditions and limitations of this exemption.”

So I guess Spirit just has to request the exemption.

Per the releasing line holders without placing them on TAJ, that action was specifically requested of the company by our MEC Chairman according to email correspondence with my rep. So we, the union, are behind the line holders not being reassigned through TAJ to operate the new pairings.

AFAIK, SWA with the same reschedule, decided to reassign trips in reverse seniority on "TAJ" days. I think it was financially irresponsible of the union to request above guarantee/line value pay for trips that could have been contractually signed out without extra pay.

I agree, but the union can ask all it wants, it’s up to the company to play along. Both are equally to blame IMO.

What’s even more awesome is the same 2 or 3 guys nabbed 80% of the trips in open time in my base. ALPA claims BOT enforcement is on the company! The company could care less. Thanks for protecting the pilots ALPA! A simple CAPTCHA and this BOT crap is done!

Really? now we're gonna be the company's accountants? What's next, asking for less money in 2023 because "think of the company's financials"


Give me a break.


What was financially irresponsible like the poster above me said is that the company agreed to it.

We would probably have better luck emailing Sabre directly. [email protected]

I’ve tried that approach..

Guess I should feel bad for the pilot that needs8-10 (minimum) day trips on top of guarantee to survive...

probably be the same dudes flying X list while pilots are on furlough.

Some unions have a strong Pro Stan committee. Other unions have been known to have counseling sessions with reps and the problem children (usually problem children for both company and union). Crazy ideas are out there for solutions to today's modern problems.

Absolutely not. The company already proved we are only a small amount of the total cost by paying all of the april and may flying above guarantee. I just dont agree it happened the way it did, and it will definitely not motivate anybody to bid VIL....

Sounds like the company threw a small percentage of the pilot group a bone. What did the company get in return? Might be small potatoes, but the idea that Spirit spent x millions and got nothing in return is a bit far fetched. All pilots probably would have been on board if the bone was shared with everyone.

agreed....

The company doesn’t give one tiny little single f-bomb how money is divided among pilots, they only care if the result saves them a single dollar over the alternative.

The first time the company wanted to reshuffle the deck after the bid, it cost them COVID pay protections (or in other words next to nothing).

The second time it cost them $3 million dollars, split evenly.

The third time, well a huge chunk of the pilot force is out on voluntary leave at half pay. No reserve pilot will break guarantee, the line pilots credit was already accounted and planned for even if they sit home. Nothing changes there.

So what you have is the total amount of credit from the new schedule unequally distributed to a fraction of the pilot group.

I don’t know what the new total credit for May became, but average left and right seat salary at straight time, multiply it by that amount of credit. If that’s less than 3 million, they win.

All sounds solid. Wouldn't think the company would care, but what about those representing the pilots...

all fine and dandy. It was probably the best financial decision which is why they did it.

Issue is not that the lineholders got to pick up the scraps of minuscule flying on top of guarantee eventhough the bots are a major problem. It’s the fact that they got released for the month with pay when 900+ guys took a 22hr pay hit for the same privilege. And everyone else that’s on rsv is still responsible for being in position for their long or short call RAPs while the line holders are free from any obligations or get a big pay kicker to work a couple days.

100% agreed. Makes me wonder what people think of when voting. Let the people running the company decide the best financial decision.

🎻🎻🎻🎻🎻🎻🎻🎻🎻🎻

yeah yeah I know.

May sound like the poster is whining, but is it standard practice for deals with the company to only benefit a small part of the pilot group? Maybe he or she is missing something? What's the backstory? Maybe it is normal, and some just need to know their place and stop the complaining..

Lets here some initials and bases that these bot users are constant offenders in. I’m sure the union will then send us all a memo reminding us of harassment in the workplace instead of doing what’s right and enforcing these guys to abide by the contract and company guidelines.

Our memories are short.. what’s a TRO again?

I spoke to my rep yesterday. Union says they are going after these guys. I won’t hold my breath. Unfortunately, the bot guys already got “theirs” for April and May.

Memory isn’t short at all. Peer pressure and identifying work wonders. It obviously worked in negotiations since the company had to go to the length it did to shut it down.

I think the sarcasm was missed with my statement.

The offending pilots should lose all flica privileges for 6 month minimum. Their trips for May should be dropped back into open time!

Yeah buddy, I agree.

It's really not that hard to submit the requests at the correct time. Fast internet and a mouse work wonders. I picked up 8 day trips on the last go around. I'll let you know when the Union calls me with suspicion of bot use.

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These bot accusers are full of it. Come at me boy! I’ll just collect a settlement from you for harassment.

Ok my little millennial. 😂

Nothing funnier than an anonymous, internet tough. And by funny, I mean pathetic.

Anyone found using a bot should be straight up fired. It is stealing from your fellow employees.

The funny thing is these selfish *********s are too stupid to realize that their bots are holding up giant signs pointing them out during this downturn.

I now have 4 names that I’m watching very closely in my base. They, probably like the bot users in every other base, managed to pick up 69-70%of all the trips.

It will be the same 4 names that come up during negotiations next time and when we have pilots
on the street. Can’t fix greed.

Yes RSV is getting hosed. Especially those that commute. I was holding LCR just hanging out waiting for a call. Now I can’t hold LCR got R05 and I need to hang in a hotel or crash pad waiting for a call that has an infantismal chance of coming. If I knew that this would happen I would have bid a VIL just to avoid the ridiculous out of pocket cost. Yes, I would come out ahead a little bit 72 vs 50 even with a hotel but my time is worth a lot more than the difference. Go top it off I can’t even bid a VIL for June because I would lose my landing currency in the first half of July... what’s the logic with that? I’m handcuffed into short call reserve for the foreseeable future.

I just want to point out I had VAC in May, so I got Double F’d. 😁

Was your goal to work to begin with?? ��
All in good jest....