people are ****ed because line holders made out better. Nothing changed from the VILs perspective. They bid for and got exactly what they wanted. Life sucks, it isn’t fair.

I’m on RSV, so in reality I should be more ****ed off than anybody. RSV gets fisted once again.....

1000 vil lines equals 22,000 hrs of pay reduced for that month. Take that and divide it by 72hrs guarantee. Equals like 305.5. Then account for they don’t furlough 1/2 captains 1/2 fo’s. If the trend continues for 1000 vil a month, if you’re the bottom 300 on the list I’d say you’re in danger come October.

22,000 hrs of pay saved

22,000 / 72hr guarantee = 305 pilots

more or less when you factor in longevities or those furloughed or downgraded vs those taking the VIL and also variable is paying benefits on VIL vs furlough and not.

its rough math but about a savings of 305 pilots a month on guarantee with 1000 VIL.

Now they take that money and toss it at the lineholders to pick up and those that don’t get the month off with pay. That very well may still be a net savings for the company than flying an unprofitable schedule but erased goodwill for folks to want to take VILs in the future. And what RSV is still responsible for being in position for their RAPs? How about wipe all the RAPs with pay and put the ones you need in open time for pick up over guarantee.

1000 VIL’s by my back of the napkin math pays the entire company payroll for roughly a day. And I’m not sure they’re going to put the savings into individual buckets by employee group.

300 first year FO’s x 58 dollars an hour (generous with the 321 override) x 72 hours per month = $1.253M. Maybe $2M with all benefits included.

I dont have a problem with looking at it in terms of furloughs prevented per month. But it needs to presented to us that way with some numbers beside them we can grab ahold of mentally.

My greater point was that saving 1 day of entire company payroll is rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

And the band played on.

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Exactly. Correct me if I’m wrong, but there have been zero promises, documents, or even whispers from the company OR union that the VILs will “save jobs” “prevent furlough” etc. They were sold as a way to get a little pay for a whole month off. Nothing more.

Actually they did say it would help mitigate involuntary furloughs. I even have a union email that says it, plain as day

Try to look at a furlough as block hours of flying reduction not just $$$’s. The 300 number is a guess that they may be looking at 20,000 hour reduction of the flying schedule. The company will be right sized per the cba of 72hrs pay per pilot. Right now we went from 700+ departures a day to 56 I think. Certainly don’t need a lot of guys to cover that. The number they came up with might be a projection of where they think they’re gonna be down the road here. The whole thing sucks. When it comes down to the wire it will be how many hours are we flying and how fat do they want to keep the group to cover that flying. So basically block hours/72 + the fat for reserves/medical/ voluntary leave etc... wish they would give us a number but all we have right now is they wanted to shed 22,000 hrs of block/pay off the top. Hence 300 pilots.

You’re right, it said something like “...The most common method of furlough mitigation in the industry is voluntary leave”. Then it didn’t mention if the company agreed that they’d prevent furloughs because of it. Second to last paragraph mentions they’re “hopeful” it will avoid involuntary furlough, but that word isn’t making me feel to warm and fuzzy.

IMO, the fact that they relieved all line holders with pay and are adding all flying into open time is mind blowing. It not only allows people to have high credit for the month when we are hemorrhaging money but it also puts all of the responsibility of moving airplanes on RSV pilots if it’s not picked up. WTF are these people doing?