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Avro85 04-25-2020 07:22 AM


Originally Posted by Meep (Post 3041004)
I’ll still take VIL in June, mainly because I’d be reserve

There will be a heck of a lot less that qualify for VILs in June once those that have been on reserve in April onward start the dequal currency wave in mid June .

8JRMfortheyear 04-25-2020 08:47 AM


Originally Posted by SAABoroowski (Post 3040413)
people are ****ed because line holders made out better. Nothing changed from the VILs perspective. They bid for and got exactly what they wanted. Life sucks, it isn’t fair.

I’m on RSV, so in reality I should be more ****ed off than anybody. RSV gets fisted once again.....

How so? why did rsv get fisted?

Meep 04-25-2020 09:32 AM


Originally Posted by Avro85 (Post 3041043)
There will be a heck of a lot less that qualify for VILs in June once those that have been on reserve in April onward start the dequal currency wave in mid June .

Agreed, they can’t have it both ways. The amount of people who won’t dequalify and want to take VIL will be quite small.

Popeye0537 04-25-2020 09:32 AM


Originally Posted by Judge Smails (Post 3040997)
The company has 100% support from the union on this. Again, it’s complete bul!sh1t, and yet another example of reserves being treated as second class citizens.


Boy, you sure do ***** A LOT!
So why are you so bitter, did you take the first available upgrade knowing that reserve sucks, or are you to junior to hold a line? I'm trying to understand your rational. Reserve sucks anywhere.

Qotsaautopilot 04-25-2020 09:45 AM


Originally Posted by 8JRMfortheyear (Post 3041117)
How so? why did rsv get fisted?

still required to be in position for RAPs all month while lineholders got their schedules wiped with pay and free to roam the country.

Qotsaautopilot 04-25-2020 09:52 AM


Originally Posted by Popeye0537 (Post 3041172)
Boy, you sure do ***** A LOT!
So why are you so bitter, did you take the first available upgrade knowing that reserve sucks, or are you to junior to hold a line? I'm trying to understand your rational. Reserve sucks anywhere.

This excuse is nonsense. Reserve isn’t supposed to suck and now is a perfect example of how you could’ve been a lineholder for YEARS and now could be on reserve for YEARS. US AIR had FOs that were there for decades that were on reserve involuntarily. I’ve been making this argument forever and people kept saying that was an exceptional time in the industry and we are a growth airline so... now the chickens have come home to roost.

Reserve isn’t necessarily about being junior or new. It’s just another type of schedule consisting of being of availability periods instead of trips.

beverage 04-25-2020 10:00 AM

If anyone took the VIL out of some altruistic sentiment, bless your heart. After reading these posts I feel you are in the minority.

I would also challenge anyone to find an example in the entire history of this industry where pilots falling on their swords avoided what comes next.

edit: And yes, RSV gets screwed again but that's roughly 70% our fault.

Judge Smails 04-25-2020 10:51 AM


Originally Posted by Popeye0537 (Post 3041172)
Boy, you sure do ***** A LOT!
So why are you so bitter, did you take the first available upgrade knowing that reserve sucks, or are you to junior to hold a line? I'm trying to understand your rational. Reserve sucks anywhere.


I'm fairly senior in the company smartas$. This isn't about reserve sucking to begin with. We all know what reserve is, and no, it shouldn't have to suck.

Bottom line is lineholders should have been placed on TAJ and trips should placed over those days. My job as a reserve is not covering lineholders getting the free ride gravy train for the month making guarantee or better.

...and it's *rationale.

SSlow 04-25-2020 11:17 AM


Originally Posted by Judge Smails (Post 3041253)
Bottom line is lineholders should have been placed on TAJ and trips should placed over those days. My job as a reserve is not covering lineholders getting the free ride gravy train for the month making guarantee or better.

...and it's *rationale.

Boom!! I think the bigger concern is why would the company, in the midst of unprecedented financial stress, keep line holders off the hook for TAJ and then pay them extra to pick up flying in place of that? Would love to hear the APC rationale on how this is congruent with the CBA and shouldn't be of concern to people who work here...

Judge Smails 04-25-2020 11:21 AM

Lineholders get pay protected AGAIN!
 

Originally Posted by SSlow (Post 3041281)
Boom!! I think the bigger concern is why would the company, in the midst of unprecedented financial stress, keep line holders off the hook for TAJ and then pay them extra to pick up flying in place of that? Would love to hear the APC rationale on how this is congruent with the CBA and shouldn't be of concern to people who work here...


This too. It completely defeats the purpose of offering VIL.


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