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Qotsaautopilot 04-27-2020 05:50 PM


Originally Posted by RemoveB4flght (Post 3043159)
The company doesn’t give one tiny little single f-bomb how money is divided among pilots, they only care if the result saves them a single dollar over the alternative.

The first time the company wanted to reshuffle the deck after the bid, it cost them COVID pay protections (or in other words next to nothing).

The second time it cost them $3 million dollars, split evenly.

The third time, well a huge chunk of the pilot force is out on voluntary leave at half pay. No reserve pilot will break guarantee, the line pilots credit was already accounted and planned for even if they sit home. Nothing changes there.

So what you have is the total amount of credit from the new schedule unequally distributed to a fraction of the pilot group.

I don’t know what the new total credit for May became, but average left and right seat salary at straight time, multiply it by that amount of credit. If that’s less than 3 million, they win.

all fine and dandy. It was probably the best financial decision which is why they did it.

Issue is not that the lineholders got to pick up the scraps of minuscule flying on top of guarantee eventhough the bots are a major problem. It’s the fact that they got released for the month with pay when 900+ guys took a 22hr pay hit for the same privilege. And everyone else that’s on rsv is still responsible for being in position for their long or short call RAPs while the line holders are free from any obligations or get a big pay kicker to work a couple days.

Qotsaautopilot 04-27-2020 05:53 PM


Originally Posted by elmetal (Post 3042976)
Really? now we're gonna be the company's accountants? What's next, asking for less money in 2023 because "think of the company's financials"


Give me a break.


What was financially irresponsible like the poster above me said is that the company agreed to it.

100% agreed. Makes me wonder what people think of when voting. Let the people running the company decide the best financial decision.

Tranquility 04-27-2020 06:00 PM


Originally Posted by qotsaautopilot (Post 3043346)
all fine and dandy. It was probably the best financial decision which is why they did it.

Issue is not that the lineholders got to pick up the scraps of minuscule flying on top of guarantee eventhough the bots are a major problem. It’s the fact that they got released for the month with pay when 900+ guys took a 22hr pay hit for the same privilege. And everyone else that’s on rsv is still responsible for being in position for their long or short call raps while the line holders are free from any obligations or get a big pay kicker to work a couple days.

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Qotsaautopilot 04-27-2020 09:16 PM


Originally Posted by Tranquility (Post 3043363)
🎻🎻🎻🎻🎻🎻🎻🎻🎻🎻

yeah yeah I know.

Xjrstreetcar 04-28-2020 04:32 AM

May sound like the poster is whining, but is it standard practice for deals with the company to only benefit a small part of the pilot group? Maybe he or she is missing something? What's the backstory? Maybe it is normal, and some just need to know their place and stop the complaining..

Mtnbikemike 04-29-2020 04:38 AM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 3043346)
all fine and dandy. It was probably the best financial decision which is why they did it.

Issue is not that the lineholders got to pick up the scraps of minuscule flying on top of guarantee eventhough the bots are a major problem. It’s the fact that they got released for the month with pay when 900+ guys took a 22hr pay hit for the same privilege. And everyone else that’s on rsv is still responsible for being in position for their long or short call RAPs while the line holders are free from any obligations or get a big pay kicker to work a couple days.

Lets here some initials and bases that these bot users are constant offenders in. I’m sure the union will then send us all a memo reminding us of harassment in the workplace instead of doing what’s right and enforcing these guys to abide by the contract and company guidelines.

sioux8ships 04-29-2020 05:02 AM


Originally Posted by Mtnbikemike (Post 3044548)
Lets here some initials and bases that these bot users are constant offenders in. I’m sure the union will then send us all a memo reminding us of harassment in the workplace instead of doing what’s right and enforcing these guys to abide by the contract and company guidelines.

Our memories are short.. what’s a TRO again?

I spoke to my rep yesterday. Union says they are going after these guys. I won’t hold my breath. Unfortunately, the bot guys already got “theirs” for April and May.

Mtnbikemike 04-29-2020 05:11 AM


Originally Posted by sioux8ships (Post 3044557)
Our memories are short.. what’s a TRO again?

I spoke to my rep yesterday. Union says they are going after these guys. I won’t hold my breath. Unfortunately, the bot guys already got “theirs” for April and May.

Memory isn’t short at all. Peer pressure and identifying work wonders. It obviously worked in negotiations since the company had to go to the length it did to shut it down.

sioux8ships 04-29-2020 05:20 AM


Originally Posted by Mtnbikemike (Post 3044560)
Memory isn’t short at all. Peer pressure and identifying work wonders. It obviously worked in negotiations since the company had to go to the length it did to shut it down.

I think the sarcasm was missed with my statement.

The offending pilots should lose all flica privileges for 6 month minimum. Their trips for May should be dropped back into open time!

Mtnbikemike 04-29-2020 05:26 AM


Originally Posted by sioux8ships (Post 3044564)
I think the sarcasm was missed with my statement.

The offending pilots should lose all flica privileges for 6 month minimum. Their trips for May should be dropped back into open time!

Yeah buddy, I agree.


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