I see what you’re doing here. You’re claiming this is a success story.
What happened to American exceptionalism? American competence and leadership around the globe?
We had a six to eight week lead time knowing what S. Korea and parts of Europe were going through was heading for our shores.
Closing in on 150,000 deaths is not a success story and neither is the death rate the only meaningful measure of success. Ask the folks that have lingering health issues effecting their quality of life if that’s not meaningful.
You may be willing to accept American incompetence or mediocrity but I am not.

Or how inadequate Obama’s response was to the economy for 8 years.

whats the source of this chart? I like it and would love to try and fact check it.

Oh really? Check your facts.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/obama-b...my-11595440495

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...conomy-charts/

SP 500 during Obama....

Yeah, that quantum leap after he left office was a coincidence.

Are you implying a three years retired president’s policy is to blame for our current situation here and now, and how we, the USA, failed in our response to COVID? It’s possible, but in this case I don’t think it’s relevant or true.

Also, reference this (or google any media sources that are reliable):

https://markets.businessinsider.com/...9-9-1028833119

you mean this one ? we seem to have progress, then a derailment, then progress, then a derailment. Then...

I’m just glad we can have civilized political discussions. I’ve seen lots of minds changed on the internet about political topics.

He stopped all flights from China, you called him names. If he didn't you would of blamed him. It doesn't matter what he does the left will not be happy. He is doing a great job, wants to open things back up, get kids back to school. The death rate is decreasing. Cloth masks do nothing but give you a false sense of security but propagate fear.
Instead you will vote for Biden who has some serious cognitive (dementia) issues to lead the free world? Your hatred for Trump is enough to vote a bobblehead in? Before COVID the economy was great and you can't blame that on Trump. He will will rebuild the economy. The vaccine is close. Trump is not perfect but I think he is doing a great job. Chooo chooo

Me too! Thank the baby Jesus for political posts on APC and social media, or else I'd be one more lost soul just blowing in the wind.

So about that earnings call...management seems optimistic but obviously that is heavily contingent on demand returning sooner than later. At this point it's pretty much a waiting game for the holiday travel season, and for all of our sakes hopefully they take the second round of government loans if it would benefit us.

I am going step away from this thread. Best of luck. Great company (Spirit) with good folks. COVID is not airline-centric, it is affecting the entire industry. I would think the ULCC/LCC model is more immune but COVID is shattering all models and theories. You could put 10 Harvard Phd economists in a room and nobody can crystal ball the future on this thing.

see ya

If by derailment you mean the bottom of the current administration’s economy dipping to the peak of the last administration’s economy then I can deal with that.

it doesn't matter. the fire light, red in color, is illuminated, it is called COVID. Once that gets extinguished we can all study history.

the immediate action item for now is COVID. What Jimmy Carter did? Who cares.

“Politics“ etymology:

poly, a prefix; From Ancient Greek πολύς (polús, “many, much”)

Ticks, plural noun; denotes various species of blood-sucking arthropod parasites.

The china ban is an odd situation, what with the whole one china thing, Hong Kong and several other cities being exempt. I believe somewhere around a million people have traveled between the US and China since the 'ban' took effect. The reality is we cant really ban china because we lust for their cheap stuff.

Yea- you have a circumspect view of things. Police arent even allowed to do their job anymore- That affects all of us and is coming from the left. :rolleyes:

The China travel ban is such a red herring. There was no ban on flights. There was only a ban on Chinese nationals traveling on Chinese passports. If you were a foreign national or an American traveling on any passport other than a Chinese passport you could travel to the U.S. without being tested for COVID-19 upon arrival. The China travel ban is another lie from President PersonWomanManCameraTV.

Can you help me understand what it is you are doing/going for here? I don’t much care for him either but this seems like something someone would scream in a fit of rage.

Spirit


Coolest pilot group of any non-regional airline


yet the most toxic APC group

Just busting Trumps balls over how he described how well he did on his cognitive test by remembering five words in correct order; Person, woman, man, camera and TV. As if remembering those five words somehow proves what a smart guy he is when in actuality the test is just one method of determining onset of early dementia.

this - best pilot group hands down

Outside of Allegiant and Sun Country, we probably have the least active forum of the majors and that is an indication of how much our pilots focus on other sh it.

If anyone thinks this is toxic, they haven’t ventured into the bigger airline forums.

Im not here to defend the left. They are morons just the same as the far right. I was a criminal justice major. Glad i did this instead. My wife's son is a police officer. He shares your sentiment and is considering leaving the profession. That said, he also understands ya cant keep having high profile murders and not expect a backlash. That's the nature of it, whether anyone agrees or not. Like I said before, there's what you want to be true, and then there's reality. Maybe it's all a leftist plot to destroy the world, or maybe it's just chaos same as it ever was.

The good Doctor gets it. Everything in moderation. Especially cable news of any kind. That **** is terrible for you!

How to person woman man camera TV
 

https://youtu.be/j8oaaP68i4s

Sarah Cooper is brilliant!

yep and social media is worse. Old people love Facebook now and it gets them angrier than Fox News ever did.

We live in a world where the pragmatists, whether left or right leaning, are now labeled as racists and snowflake socialists by the continually growing fringes. Nobody wants to solve problems, they just want to fight, be alpha and own each other. Super productive!

Interesting choice of words though Brule since you keep comparing the "Left" to "The Far Right". I see what you're doing there...

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Would Biden though? 😬 That guy forgets what he’s running for.
https://youtu.be/k8KsxcwQ6j0

gosh you ain’t lying. Even the ones I agree with I have to keep on scrolling.

I’d choose the guy that can make coherent sentences and that would surround himself with people that are intelligent about how to handle any situation. The current moron in office always thinks he is right. If questioned or given advice he doesn’t like, then they are replaced. Trump is the classic narcissistic, sociopath. Look it up, he fits the description perfectly. We have become the joke of the world under his “leadership “. I use that word very loosely.

You do realize that coherent sentences aren’t really coming from either candidate, right?

Have you seen Biden speak recently? He isn't near coherent. Oh wait he isn't out campaigning just running tv ads because he messes up so badly. It is sad his family is allowing him to keep running when there is an obvious cognitive problem. That's the best candidate the left can muster? Oh and he was a bit of a creep too, I'm sure he would surround himself with woman he can sniff. Where's the me2 movement?

Bingo.

Now can you all just exchange numbers in a PM and continue this BS outside of here?

So you’d have an issue with a creepy old man being president? Suppose your aren’t seeing the irony there

you realize who you’re comparing him to when calling him a creep right? The orange man is the most inappropriate president ever. I mean it’s almost difficult to sell that he doesn’t have the hots for his own daughter. Biden does have some serious mental issues when speaking but if you look back he’s actually seemed to have mental issues when speaking for years. Hopefully one day we will have something other than hot garbage to vote for on both sides.

There are hours of footage of W Bush bumbling whilst speaking, does he have dementia, No. Is he a fool, no. Not a huge fan of Biden or W, but unlike the child in power now, they seemingly love their family and country, and outwardly have morals.

I’ll take the guy who isn’t referred to as Individual 1 in a federal indictment to pay off a porn star. I’ll take the guy who’s campaign manager, deputy campaign manager, national security advisor, foreign affairs advisor, and political advisor weren’t convicted of felonies. I’ll take the guy who isn’t afraid to release his taxes because he’s afraid of fraud or worse being exposed. I’ll take the guy who didn’t blackmail a foreign country by withholding congressionally appropriated funds to get dirt on his political opponent. I’ll take the guy who isn’t relying on an Office of Legal Council memo that states a sitting president cannot be indicted while in office from being indicted while in office. I’ll take the guy who didn’t say that Covid cases will soon be down to zero and then so bungled the response to the crisis that the livelihoods of everyone in our industry and the health of everyone in the country are threatened.

The buffoonery. The douchbaggery. The dip****tery. The criminality of our current president is an embarrassment.