That said, regardless if they meant it to do so or not, honoring the CJOs into May (?) sends a strong signal that Spirit views this crisis as an opportunity, as it should.

I don't understand the legacy pilot groups not aggressively targeting scope when their management came calling for concessions.

For those groups, some sort of concession might have been or might be inevitable. However, whatever language the company wanted better have come with a 50/70/90 seat pay rates, even regional +5% ones.

However, the mainline MECs just won't fight scope.

Why fight scope when their company uses those regional airlines and their slave wages to put a 5-figure profit sharing check in your bank account every April?

/s

I was hoping for this at DL. Give the company some relief on min hours and maybe displacement training language in exchange for tighter scope. However our management has claimed FM and is violating our existing scope clause as we speak, making me believe management would not entertain scope tightening.

Also we have a large contingent of our airline who only cares about $$$ and many more who think that if we made a deal like that, management would take the cuts, go to BK and gut our newly tightened scope clause.

That's not an unreasonable worry/position, but the reality is that if there are contractors doing your job cheaper, that represents a threat regardless of a potential BK or not. But, as job losses loom, scope should be prioritized IMO.

For the DL guys, its got to be frustrating for management to show up with their hands out, violating contracts while millions of dollars that went to JVs is being flushed.

Yeah, that's why/how the Delta MEC was sold on RJs in the early 1990s. It was short-sighted then...mostly a case of zipper suited sun gods too good to fly a RJ.

It cost thousands of pilots millions of dollars.

Thus, why its hard to feel too much sympathy for the legacy pilot groups writ large, as unfair as it is to the junior guys who will be the obvious billpayers. The Delta, Northwest, American and United guys that allowed scope to kill the career expectations of two or three generations of pilots are all drooling in their oatmeal right now.

That doesn't fix the problem that potentially thousands of legacy pilot will be either working under C scale or out of a job entirely, as a bunch of regional guys fly DL, AMR or UA pax around.

Not sure how this topic got brought up as a response to an unrelated post weeks ago.

That said, while I’m not a fan of the overall deal the United deal did tighten scope