Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 3533018)

Meanwhile, at SWA:

My pay expectations:

Current converted to hours:

12 yrs CA: $274.03
12 yrs FO: $191.81 (70% of CA)
05 yrs FO: $164.55 (86% of max FO)
01 yrs FO: $84.52 (44% of max FO)

In the year 2000, before all the CONCESSIONARY CONTRACTS, the going rate for a 737 classic Captain at max pay was around $226 per hour. Adjusted for inflation (Source BLS: CPI Index) is $399.

New Rates:

12 yrs CA: $399
12 yrs FO: $279.30
05 yrs FO: $240.20
01 yrs FO: $122.90

Now keep in mind, these rates are only reclaiming the concessions we gave up. This does NOT include a single pay raise or account for the fact that we are flying planes with 30-50 more seats. If we vote yes on anything less than this, we are still taking a massive paycut. Demand what you are worth!

Originally Posted by sioux8ships (Post 3533069)

This is neat. I didn’t know SWA had an AIP?

Hate to break it to you, but last go around the arbiter didn’t care about our seating capacity when he defined our “peers”.

Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3532197)

Yeah, they talk the talk. The two questions are:
1. Will they walk the walk while still agreeing to NK QOL work rules which seems far superior to current JB work rules in many non-monetary respects?
2. Is DOJ gonna allow the merger at all?

Answer those questions and a whole lot of decisions become easier.

Originally Posted by FlippingCups (Post 3532610)

How do you know we will have "amazing leverage" 1-2yrs from now?? This industry can change with a snap of a finger. None of us have any clue where this economy or world will even be like in 1-2yrs. We need to take the best we can get now. Im not voting yes for mediocre stuff with the intention that we will get a great JCBA. We are all one event away from the music stopping and the games they are playing in Ukraine right now isn't giving me a tingly feeling. Or once this economy stops the hiring will come to a stop and that so called "leverage" goes out the window. I think we all need to fight for the best NOW, not a band-aid in hopes of something great that may never happen 1-2yrs from now. Ive been in this industry long enough, even 6 months is an eternity.

Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 3533168)

It is from a SWA pilot, stating the pay rates that would be required to adjust 2000 B737 rates for inflation. The seating capacity change he is talking about is within SWA from then to now.
Did anyone except you say AIP?
Did I say I expected higher rates than SWA because of more seats in our planes?
Do you have a problem reading?

No, no, and yes.

Originally Posted by sioux8ships (Post 3533415)

Yes, you got me! Reading comprehension was never my thing. Being a realist and not living in a fantasy world is though. Posting someone’s pipe dream at SWA doesn’t do any good. Might as well post Delta pre 9/11 rates accounting for inflation or United’s A380 rates.

Start your “No” vote campaign now, because you’re going to be very disappointed when we get a TA to vote on.

Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 3533468)

Definitely ready for both disappointment and no vote. I posted those rates to wake people up that think the Alaska rates were acceptable that, corrected for inflation, was a pay cut. I would rather keep my current pay for a while, than get a minimal raise.

Originally Posted by FlippingCups (Post 3532610)

How do you know we will have "amazing leverage" 1-2yrs from now?? This industry can change with a snap of a finger. None of us have any clue where this economy or world will even be like in 1-2yrs. We need to take the best we can get now. Im not voting yes for mediocre stuff with the intention that we will get a great JCBA. We are all one event away from the music stopping and the games they are playing in Ukraine right now isn't giving me a tingly feeling. Or once this economy stops the hiring will come to a stop and that so called "leverage" goes out the window. I think we all need to fight for the best NOW, not a band-aid in hopes of something great that may never happen 1-2yrs from now. Ive been in this industry long enough, even 6 months is an eternity.

Originally Posted by Lakeaffect (Post 3533498)

I dunno, if Alaska is a pay cut, I don’t know what our rates are, a severe pay cut. I’d be surprised if we beat Alaska’s new rate before our JCBA with B6. Ideally yes, we’d get a fat raise that would outpace inflation and match the regional pay increase percentages. But like the poster above said, reality is probably gonna hold us short of those expectations.