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Supposedly management offered less than current jb rate.
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Originally Posted by Lakeaffect
(Post 3533849)
Yea, I hear you, it’s a good point. If management wants to give us AS +, great, but it doesn’t sound like they’re anywhere close to there yet. So it depends on how desperate they get, but we don’t have the luxury of holding out for 2-3 years assuming the merger is approved. If we hold out too long we get nothing until the JCBA is done. No reason we can’t get a solid increase now, and then hit a home run with the JCBA (that’s the NC’s focus)
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Originally Posted by Lakeaffect
(Post 3533849)
Yea, I hear you, it’s a good point. If management wants to give us AS +, great, but it doesn’t sound like they’re anywhere close to there yet. So it depends on how desperate they get, but we don’t have the luxury of holding out for 2-3 years assuming the merger is approved. If we hold out too long we get nothing until the JCBA is done. No reason we can’t get a solid increase now, and then hit a home run with the JCBA (that’s the NC’s focus)
Ah the old “ We’ll get ‘em next time” routine. Don’t fall for it. |
Y’all are delusional if you think we’re getting or beating those “crappy Alaska rates” this round. We’ll be doing good to get current JB rates.
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Originally Posted by onedolla
(Post 3533863)
Why do you make it sound like WE can’t hold out? I don’t think we pilots need to concern ourselves with staffing the airline or utilizing new deliveries. If management wants to right the ship they know what’s needed. If not, they can watch new attrition records be set.
FOCUSED BARGAINING Why are we doing focused negotiations on limited important issues to the pilot group instead of a full Section 6 where we fix everything? The short answer is time. We don’t have the two to three years that a comprehensive Section 6 would take before we need to negotiate a TPA and a JCBA. What we do have are multiple opportunities in the next two years to initiate bargaining for contract improvements. These focused negotiations are the first step of a multi-step process. At the conclusion of those efforts, having bargained a comprehensive JCBA or, should the merger fail regulatory approval, a comprehensive CBA as a stand-alone carrier, we aim to have in place a new agreement that will position us as a career destination carrier. These focused negotiations will pay our pilots while we negotiate the TPA and JCBA and provide a backstop in the event the merger isn’t approved that immediately puts us back at the negotiating table to bargain for comprehensive improvements. |
Originally Posted by Bluediver
(Post 3533870)
Ah the old “ We’ll get ‘em next time” routine. Don’t fall for it.
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Originally Posted by Bluediver
(Post 3533870)
Ah the old “ We’ll get ‘em next time” routine. Don’t fall for it.
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Originally Posted by Lakeaffect
(Post 3533849)
Yea, I hear you, it’s a good point. If management wants to give us AS +, great, but it doesn’t sound like they’re anywhere close to there yet. So it depends on how desperate they get, but we don’t have the luxury of holding out for 2-3 years assuming the merger is approved. If we hold out too long we get nothing until the JCBA is done. No reason we can’t get a solid increase now, and then hit a home run with the JCBA (that’s the NC’s focus)
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Originally Posted by symbian simian
(Post 3533962)
Definitely. But it has to be solid, otherwise I have the patience. Management has a problem with attrition, I don't.
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 3533967)
I don’t think management realizes how bad their problem with attrition really is. A number of legacies are training constrained. They’ve given out CJOs that they won’t be able to onboard for 4-5 months. Guys/gals giving two weeks notice are simply the tip of the iceberg. Another 4 months attrition is already irreversible.
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