Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3338130)

Being happy and FOs talking with their feet are mutually exclusive for the most part. People can be happy and stay, but we are losing big numbers right now and it will continue. These are facts. I don’t care because I can’t control it, but facts nonetheless

Originally Posted by QuebOLimaJet (Post 3337785)

I would think the college/1500 crowd would be the quickest to use Spirit as a stepping stone.

Over the next year do you think reserve will go over 6month? Hoping for acy/mco if I get hired.

Originally Posted by FahQ2 (Post 3338135)

Easy there chicken little, the numbers aren’t so big yet.

Last email we lost 90 year to date. Some of those are actual retirements, some were medical, and yes, most were going on to other airlines. In fact a sizable number came here after being put into a pool by Delta.

Still 90/2800 is a little over 3% which is not bad at all for turnover at a large company. We are still growing, and still adding pilots to the total, while they announced slowed upgrade number, there are still upgrades and new hire classes full for months.

We start getting over 10% turnover and cancelled new hire classes because no one showed up, then call me and I’ll run around with you talking about the sky falling.

Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3338144)

Come on. Have you heard of the phrase “trend”. You can look at 90 in a vacuum and apply the numbers.

90 to date. Check the amount in the last month, last two months.

So it’s 90 YTD thru November.
16 of which is previous month
24 of which is current November.

So we averaged 5.5 January-September
Then 16 for October
And 24 for partial November.

Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3338144)

Come on. Have you heard of the phrase “trend”. You can look at 90 in a vacuum and apply the numbers.

90 to date. Check the amount in the last month, last two months.

So it’s 90 YTD thru November.
16 of which is previous month
24 of which is current November.

So we averaged 5.5 January-September
Then 16 for October
And 24 for partial November.

Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 3337782)

Whats worse is that they think hiring 1500 cfi students will solve the problem, yet United, Delta and I am sure AA will all have full cadet programs in place, which at least in United/AA's case will help find funding for the flight training. In addition, I can only imagine the big dumping even more money into these cadet programs as the pinch worsens, making it even harder for Spirit to compete.

I mean I am sure we will get some of these types, but how many will be the question. Even if we get these types of pilots, how many will actually stay as career pilots and not bail out once they get some time, type etc. Obviously a better contract, with better pay and more qol changes will help all of this.

Lastly, lets hope our MEC is working hard on reserve improvements since it looks like a good many of us and future pilots will be on it for a considerable amount of time.

Originally Posted by Fyziksisphun (Post 3338299)

I see people referencing hiring CFIs, but Spirit is still requiring a full ATP which more or less excludes CFIs/college kids, right?