No one knows who did it.

That's what a narc would say

It came down to a video recording that was sent into the company making fun of a certain geriatric individual who has a lot of power.

This is why we can't have nice things!

It was a LGB joke screen shotted, forwarded to a hack activist and then posted to the company’s twitter feed by said loser who has far more despicable things on her social media accounts.

We are experiencing a singular event caused by an unprecedented confluence of factors that does not reflect systemic issues (just in case you’re curious)

Really? Hadn’t noticed

Looks like everything is covered

Well, got reassigned 3 times, had 3 legs cancelled, spend over 3 hours on hold with CS, called the CP on duty, message was "we are in an irop" and it went straight to voicemail, will get home 30 hours after EOTHP., just put down my CC to pay for transport to the airport. All today...

No worries we are ramping up to 90 a month but please remember to screen your referrals it costs a fortune

That sucks. Please don’t stay on the phone for 3 hrs. We are considered un-contactable after not calling back in 15 mins I think? As far as I’m concerned, it goes both ways. CS -15 mins , CP on duty, start using my leadership skills. This crud will never end if we enable bad behavior. Hope you get some rest.


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Thanks, and don't worry, it's partly because I wanted to readjust my schedule to improve my life. Yes, it would benefit the company as well. I've cancelled my DH home on team travel and skipped without getting released if it took more than 30 minutes in the past.

If you are on day 2 and the flight to the overnight cancels and you have 5hrs of duty what would be your course of action? Not being critical, asking.

That’s different … you get a sit code and start making money ….. that usually gets the ball rolling .


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The official guidance is in your contract- Crew Scheduling shall notify pilots of changes to their trips or time available status as soon as they are known. A Pilot assigned to a trip must be rescheduled in accordance with the limitations of Sections 25 and 12.


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​​​​​​After 1 hour at most, I would give my CC to the FO and tell him to call the short layover hotel to get us a room, while I am on hold with CS. If he gets done before they pick up, I hang up and go to the hotel. Even if they refuse to refund me, I will be a much happier person in the hotel $150 down for both of us.

Why not the long hotel?

because I will cancel the DH, and hurry home, so no need to get too far away from the airport

I think SPA ALPA’s position is you have to stay at the airport until you time out or make contact with crew scheduling, and if you go to a hotel a fatigue report is due.

So begs the question: let’s say you fly one short leg from say ORD to MCI and discover your next leg from MCI to LAX is cancelled but no change to your schedule and no way to contact scheduling and get VM with the CPO. You’ve only been on duty 2 hours and let’s say you are good for 12 more and are well rested from the night prior. At what point do you decide you aren’t going to wait on hold any longer and then what point do you decide to get your own hotel? Remember you have no changes on your schedule and haven’t been able to reach scheduling for a change or even a SIT code. You also have 12 more hours of usable duty.

Now if I’m at the scheduled layover and there is no hotel yes I’m just going to handle it myself. Also if I’m there in MCI and my schedule is blank after that I’m probably going to a hotel after a “reasonable” amount of time. I probably won’t wait on hold, I’ll probably wait for them to call me.

Or enjoy making SIT pay at the airport if they don’t contact you. Once you bail to a hotel, either by you or scheduling, SIT ends. And you are correct, you are to stay at the airport for your duty period, and when they do finally call you, a SIT code needs to be placed at the leg for the entire time until you are released to rest. So your example above having 12 hours duty left, you technically have to stay at the airport up to 12 hours before getting your room unless you’re fatigued, like you said. But you’ll be entitled to 5 hours of extra pay if you do.

With that pay, I might hit the airport hotel and get a room while still “being at the airport” and not on rest yet. And if they never contact me with my hotel, im already at a hotel and will expense that airport hotel.

that is what I meant. Pretty sure I can get back to the hotel fast enough if they still need me

No doubt. There are tons of holes in the policy anyways. Because exactly, you could be anywhere at the airport. Also, we are not required to be directly contactable while on duty anyways. So when we step off the plane, and they call, its up to us if we want to answer, return the call, etc. We dont need to have a cell phone like a corporate pilot. Tons of holes, company just assumes and hopes we answer our cell phone when/if they decide to call.

All good points

Once you go to a hotel your SIT does not end.

Once you go to the hotel for rest, your sit does end. Actually it ends once "released into rest". So you might not even be at the hotel yet. Yes, we discussed work arounds like the airport hotel while having scheduling think youre at the concourse food court, waiting for reassignment.

From Scheduling Chairman:" For pay purposes, pilots who experienced long duration waits at the airport without contact from crew scheduling should ensure that their pairings reflect an accurate time for the end of the duty period. These duty periods should only show as completed at the point in time when the pilot entered their rest facility, whether it was provided for as required by the CBA or the pilot was directed or permitted by a chief pilot to purchase a hotel room and expense it back to Spirit. In all cases, rest must not begin until duty was completed, which includes post-flight time spent at the airport waiting for further assignment or instructions."

Rescheduling guide shows this is when the SIT ends

🚨🚨🚨🚨We are officially BendoCon 3 IROP


“Currently the phone call queue lines are at 96 minutes for the normal scheduling line, and the longest wait is 14 minutes for the premium, sick and reserve lines. “

What a joke. So X list trips have a 14 minute wait time and a hotel call is 96 minutes. I hope everyone is booking their own hotels or calling a chief vs these hold times.

It’s clear the IROP phone delays are never going to stop and if call wait times are 96 minutes, it means we have people waiting 96 minutes on hold. Why?!

This is what we will be hearing all summer. It’s gonna be a fun ride!

Once again Spirit has lost operational control - the FAA needs to step oin… only way this gets fixed. If it wasn’t so pathetic I’d be laughing. Can’t wait to see how many people leave in near future as I’m sure tons have apps out now.

Well this isn’t losing operational control. It’s laughable and ridiculous but it isn’t losing operational control. Most of us have been here the few times they have lost operational control and the FAA was close to stepping in, this isn’t it. This is another example of ULCC manning at all levels.

Didn’t you bust out of training here and headed back to Fractional?

This will be standard fare any time the length of the state of Florida headed towards ATL is hit with weather.

nope but aren’t you the one who can’t land without smashing it in?

Yep. I’m so glad they tried to sell us on moving more pilots and beefing up bases in FL and ATL as “better for operational control.” I was thinking we’d have to wait for a hurricane to come and shut down a few airports in FL too see what happens, turns out we just needed a few storms to bring the whole thing to a halt. This will be even better come June when everyone is based down there.


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Good thing we’re turning a large population of our pilots into Florida commuters. That will fix it! We’re more resilient than ever!

On the one hand, it bolsters their decision to base more pilots from ATL down through Florida.

Problem is it doesn’t matter how many pieces you have on the chessboard if you are playing while blind and deaf.

Yes it affects pilots commuting to a trip, but it should also mean having more reserves in base. Yes people commute to reserve, but by the time they need you, you should already be in base.

lol no it doesn't

Sure, but crew timing out is probably a small part of the problem. The main issue is a plane and crew being stuck in CMH or some random place trying to get to Florida.

Exactly, it is not the lack of pilots in Florida causing this IROP right now.

The point of it all is that Pilots are being used as scapegoats for past IROPs and this displacement is not going to solve a thing. We get it FahQ2, you've made your position clear in the past. You live in Florida and for selfish reasons this displacement is good for you. But stop being a company cheerleader when you know it won't work.

This was a hard lesson learned at my last employer with 6 bases and Dallas being the most attractive and popular. Ice storms would blow up the operation for days, and they would beg for people to try to drive in to make trips happen.

Anyway, the epiphany finally happened and they diversified. Not as simple in the 121 world, but all our eggs are justifiably in one basket. I think the IROPs will be more numerous if possibly shorter lived with the new scheduling rules.

There will be gravy galore available in FLL and MCO if you want to move down there and have the seniority to get off reserve.

Ha it's worse today than it was yesterday smh what a joke

I would love to know their plan going forward for hotels being full and crews running into IROP. I kept hearing stories the last few days of crews unable to find hotels and now JM just confirmed it in his email. I’m fairly certain high hotel occupancy levels will happen even beyond spring break :confused:

Being on rsv living in base is Faaaarrrr better than commuting to a line.

Btw been off and available and no phone calls.