Courtesy of the recent bid, whenever they figure it out, many of us don’t have either option and have families uninterested in moving. But sitting reserve in base prior had me barely flying if encumbered 18 days a month.

Ourphone tree is most assuredly blown up again. Give it two days while they try to stand up the operation and line holders will start getting calls.

IAH has the worst thunderstorms in the country and UA seems to be able to figure it out, and it probably has less to do with weather and more to do with them not waiting hours to get rescheduled or find a hotel.

So yes it is possible to run a heavily utilized operation out of Florida, otherwise we would just move everything to the perfect year round weather of Saint Diego and call it a day.

new hire FO requirements - enough credit card balance availability to buy hotels for yourself for IROPS (even though Spirit will reimburse)

United pays their schedulers well and UAL ALPA has an ALPA rep full time in their OCS full time 24/7. It works

United melts down just fine. What’s the nearest UAL base to IAH? Denver? It’s a rare day when a singular event can shut down 2-3 bases simultaneously for them. For NKS it just takes a cold front running from ATL to south Florida. And it’s 2 of our 3 busiest bases.

UAL assuredly does this better than NKS does, but it’s also an apples to oranges comparison. How does WN handle it would be a better comparison. Whether that’s Florida or Texas getting TSRA+ed.

While I won't downplay the lack of operational support compared to other airlines, Florida does absolutely suck from an ATC perspective. It is constantly cut in half by thunderstorms and you can't go west (for the most part) because of military airspace and can't go too far east over the Atlantic. Thus insane congestion causing stupid lengthy delays that other areas of the country with storms are able to recover from much quicker because they can depart in every direction. Is what it is, company could do better but having the "fortress" be in the worst possible location atc/weather wise is a combo for failure.

Can't leave Florida because it is a cash cow.

J Miller needs to go. Surprised his butt hasn't been kicked to the curb yet.
F'ing up this whole company with his BS

Florida is a vacation destination and FULL of low income. It’s our market. We can’t leave and we have to have sizable operations with rsv coverage or we would be toast. Only thing Orlando and San Diego have in common is they both have a Sea World. Not the same population.

Why?

Because when you email each other back and forth and in-between take your dog for a walk, change the babies diaper, take a grumpy, it adds up to bout 96 minutes!

Stupid Fing scheduling should be back in the office! How Jordan gets away with this b-shat and bendo isn't fired is beyond belief.

Whew, I feel better now, thanks for listening. 🤣

Both him and Jordan.

Maybe we should start a "make Detroit great again" campaign to spur interest and take some of the heat off of Florida. We could even buy one of those abandoned neighborhoods you hear about and turn it into a target range with zombies.

It’s not good for me at all actually, and I have never stated that is was, nor have I cheered the company for the displacement.

No pilot has actually been displaced yet, just because the bid results are (almost) published doesn’t have any affect on this IROP. I am not saying the rebasing will be better or worse strategically for operations, maybe it will maybe it won’t. We don’t have any data or post reduction IROP to determine that yet. You obviously have your opinion on that, based on your feelings.

Yes it negatively impacts a big part of the pilot group, yes that is a bad thing. Fortunately for those it impacts, it comes at a time of unprecedented hiring and options.

Most likely we, the pilots, will be blamed again like they’ve construed on every past IROP. Weather and crew, that’s what we will hear.

Schedulers working from home and can’t make a decision on their own without patching in a supervisor, record attrition(which according to them isn’t an issue) poor IT.. the list goes on and on. Nobody got their pee pee slapped for last august. Someone should’ve been fired over that whole mess. But hey, it’s status quo here at NK. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

This summer is going to be meltdown galore.

Yes it will. Grids will be all red. No drops. But In aviation and airline life, it’s like the weather, just wait a little while and it will change. Nothing in this industry stays the same forever. You can either sit tight with your seatbelt fastened or jump ship to to places that are hiring for pure attrition and not growth. This industry is a gamble and I’m glad I am at the twilight of my career.

I hope that every flight attendant, pilot, whoever that got kicked out of their hotel rooms because Spirit has lost control of the operation find a comfortable chair in the terminals right in front of the TSA lines and get a good night’s sleep. Maybe the traveling public will wake them up in the morning. Also, where’s the pack your patience email from ALPA?

Well then you have this kind of stuff- yesterday I get to the plane and an ACARS message states that we were missing an FA. So I go to the galley and I can here hold music for CS on the phones of two other FAs (Bing bing bong.... Bong bing bong). They informed us they had been on hold for over 40 minutes each. We asked why they were on hold and they said to ask CS what they were going to do about the missing FA. We told them about the message. They waited on hold until they got to an hour then they hung up.
If this is the mentality of flight attendants I wonder if that's not the reason for unnecessary hold times. They were on hold with CS for no other reason but to be on hold with CS. When do we get our own line?
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LOL!
These pilots are instead sitting on the airport benches, sharing their life story about their day with their base chat group. Like the rest of the group chat cares. That's pretty much all us ORD guys have read the last few days is the whine fest from a few who have had miserable experiences on the road the last few days.
Maybe they need to carry a paper book with them called a diary and write in there. The "play by play" of their ****ty day is just what every other pilot wants to read while they sit at home, pass up the XY master calls, and enjoy a cup of coffee lol.

Only two FAs on hold? My favorite is their "divide and conquer" method when all 4 of them call, usually seated in the 4 BFS aisle seats, and one says "The first one that gets through can see about our hotel. The treat it like a radio contest where the 100th caller gets free concert tickets. I dont think they understand what the word "queue" actually means.

Hey Spirit friends. F9er guy here. What’s going on today ? Flight aware said 35% of spirit flights cancelled today ? We’re having some major issues also with holding for CS etc.

Welcome to the show. We aren’t done yet, tomorrow is shaping up nicely too.

Management is blaming weather and Florida.

hahaha, weather ( almost none in the country) and Florida, where half of our pilots will be based come June. It’s embarrassing but we aren’t the only ones falling on our faces today.

To be fair, the WX Saturday 100% legitimately effected every single airline south of MCO heading North. That was a massive system. I was in RSW and we never left. Unless you waited 5-6+ hours most flights, from all airlines ended up CX.

I rolled back in today. Numerous Delta, United, JB and others parked all over taxiways and any spare ramp space was for parked planes.

Our biggest issue is we can’t ever recover the operation in a normal and timely fashion. CS never has any idea where our crews are. If they did, you could get planes repod and into position for the following day. We don’t do that.

I talked to a JB guy today. He says they are the exact same way. Both of us were 30%+ CX today.

Yep you’re right, but I’d bet JB recovers much faster than us.

24% of Monday's flights canceled in the first 2 hours of the day today, 37% total for yesterday. That's one way to save fuel I guess.

I bet they don’t. They’re apparently as inept as us in these matters.

Ha! You’re very funny.

Since I no longer have any cares given about this place, I must say watching it burn because of bad management is just getting amusing. The emails from Ted and J Miller blaming crew staffing is also comical. Id say everyone just chill out sit back and relax on this journey.

who also wants to bet that 0 accountability will ensue?

There won't be any again. They are still counting all that bonus money from the merger while simultaneously forcing hundreds of pilots and their families to uproot their lives and move across the country in the name of "resiliency". Ain't corporate America grand?

well if that isnt just hitting the nail on the head.
spirit must have a board of directors though that doesnt want to see their investment tank?

Damn, that union email didn’t pull any punches.

Maybe you’ll take your own advice? I’m guessing you finally got the call.

JetBlue pilot here seeing how your dumpster fire is going. Can confirm we’re just as much of a mess. Canceled 32% yesterday with 30% of all flights delayed. So far today we we’ve canceled 13% and have nearly a quarter of our flights delayed.

Childs play, Spirit has canceled 28% already today. Only 6% delayed. This is Spirits "new" just cancel crap and hope to the heavens we can get back on track before the FAA shuts us down. Seems JBlu us still under the idea that "lets just delay delay delay and hope it gets better"

It’s all rather depressing to be honest.

Come down off the ledge, it’ll all be ok.

Exactly, our airline has fully normalized meltdowns. Nothing new to see here.

8-K will be filed with the financial losses just like last summer.

Fixed it for you...

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Honestly, B6 is just Spirit writ large in this. Obviously different service and clientele, but it’s another East Coast centric airline with multiple bases that can be closed by weather at once. But it does not have the bases or size to keep the rest of the system rolling once TSHTF in Florida or the NE.