Nice point. We have CAs who don’t know how to reimburse a hotel, or simply won’t. Shouldn’t surprise anyone that FAs have no idea as well. Their “do nothing” union is a joke and only a disservice to the FAs

Well I didn't read their contract, but I asked 3 or 4 of them for a slightly larger sample size and got the same answer. My guess is the official interpretation of "Required to" is that they do indeed eventually get lodging, even though they sometimes sit at an airport for 12 hours before the phone call comes.

Or maybe the FAs are doing themselves a disservice by not getting more involved in the union?

Yep a union is only as good as it’s members. They signed their last terrible contract for a measly $4k. You get what you negotiate.

Well since we're all still nk only. How's everyone's irops. Mine is pathetic. Seen more ****ed off people in the past week on two trips then I have in a have in a while. Also wasn't j Miller going to send out a message about the latest irops or is that only when it's over.. have we even been below 10% for the last week in cancellations ?

Ive been reassigned all 6 days I’ve shown up for work this month. Pairing last week actually ended with the letter “I”. The highest I’ve seen it go.

No doubt. Its an issue ive had with our own Spirit ALPA. Take the vacant Vice Chair/ FO Rep position. 2 FOs in LAS/DFW listed willing to serve and 1 is on the ballot. One guys running against "Write in". 350+ pilots qualified to run and 1 person on the ballot. This is a position that will help steer the pilot group through a merger/ISL/JCBA, and have a vote on any TA...1 person on the ballot.

Hah I didn't know the letter was the amount of revisions. I think I'm only up to D

Sad part is assuming the b6 merger happens , j Miller isn't going anywhere as nobody would want that job temporarily. Expect even less

J Miller is gone, so is everyone else at the FLL puzzle factory. You think JetBlue will offer a relocation package for Jeff Miller to run operations for JBLU? They are all done most likely. 👋

Sorry, I meant he isn't going anywhere until the final merge which means it's another 2 years of this bs.

I haven’t worked in 2 weeks. Y’all ok out there?

As soon as the companies merge, they can run 2 separate airlines under one roof as they work on JCBA/SLI & FAA approval to combine certificates.
Who runs the NK side of it - anyone's guess, but JetBlue can replace any of Spirit's management they don't want to keep as soon as the merger happens.

I dunno - I haven't worked in a week, and won't for another 2 weeks. hope we clear this IROP and don't start another one by then :(

Just finished a 4 day. Every leg went out on time until the last one when our FA deceived they became sick in MYR when we were all loaded up and at D-5. So we waited 1.5 hours, cancelled, then flew a repo back to base.

fair enough but I mean hey Spirit is only finishing out the day at 17% cancellations. Not too shabby right ?

I mean really how long does this go on for? Maybe we should just eliminate the weather and ATC to solve our problems.

Just did a DH on another airline to operate 1 leg to base with another FO in the back doing a double DH back to his base, after being cancelled twice. Super efficient.

Sounds very nk. Currently 913 eastern time. Already at 6%. My guess finishes at a healthy 13% end of day

I’m sure we will hear during the second quarter earnings call how it’s all our fault again.

our fault and atc and the weather. not a chance that it has to do with a terrible IT dept, a understaffed crew scheduling and all being run by a guy who i doubt knows what a meme is.

Sounds like they’re done running an airline. It’s let’s invest as little as possible and take our payday from the sale or merger and run.

Unfortunately, frontline employees will carry the weight of these issues ALL summer long.

We've been in a continuous IROP since 4/2 and the last communication about it from upper management was 4/3. Is it safe to say that this management team has thrown in the towel? Is it time to get the Board of Directors to step in or maybe get the FAA involved?

I highly doubt they have thrown in the towel, it just shows how incompetent they are. They have a responsibility to run the company as normal until the deal closes, because there are a lot of things that could cancel either one of these deals. Heads need to roll.

Feel like management is done. Seems like they’re just cancelling if they’re missing one piece as opposed to figuring out solutions.

Yes. Incompetent is an understatement… I sincerely hope the strings of Ted and Bendo’s golden parachutes are snipped before either of these deals are done. They both need to go at this point.

They need to realize once you jump a certain size as an airline you can’t nickel and dime certain things, you have to spend. I hope they draw back on the summer schedule or it’s going to be really bad.

Where is the MEC?!
 

So where is our “vote of no confidence” for this current management group? Maybe investors would be more keen at this point of time vs any other. Why do we continue to soft play management from the union side?

Absent and MIA. Someone get their faces on milk cartons.

What do you expect the union to do, exactly?

At the very least, advise the pilots on the current state of the operations, what management is telling them, what we are asking from them, and what’s being implemented to try and fix this current issue. These are basic things you would expect from pilot leadership

If they want extra credit, they can use tools other airlines have done in their meltdowns including symbolic votes of no confidence (which we have never had under Ted). Just think about that.

They are our advocates and I don’t think they are advocating for the group right now

It is not the union's job to tell the company how to run their business. Their job is to protect our rights under the CBA. I doubt management is telling them much more than we already know.

We will agree to completely disagree with this.

The MEC isn’t tasked with telling the company how to run their business, and that was never suggested. The MEC is tasked to ensure that pilots CAN talk to a scheduler when needed, CAN get a hotel when needed, remind management that IROP isn’t a word that applies to pilots and out CBA. The MEC CAN file class grievances for lack or notification for cancellations. Or how about accountability when pilots are getting rescheduled at hubs because schedulers are choosing to circumvent the assignment methodology outlined in the CBA. FAs are all being offered 200% for trips pickups. Is that something that was asked from management from pilots? Mentioned? Has the 200% to “fly your trip” been discussed since that seemed to save a larger meltdown in January? Management isn’t saying a word about what’s going on, I would at least like to know if the MEC is at least trying to find out

And if management is telling them nothing, that in itself is something that needs to be communicated to the pilots.

You really think this is simply management doing their job and the MEC just hanging back to enforce the CBA? My man, the contract is getting violated every few minutes.

Now you get why I think this place ( mgmt ) is a trash fire. I mean wtf. How many Delta or united flights have I been dh'd on. Or the call from crew scheduling asking where I am??? I'm just waiting for a crew member to get fecked in an airport out of some pax rage. J Miller will probably blame atc for it

Oh… so suddenly this is an issue for you when it’s an IROP, but if someone checks the premium assignment reports for these violations they need to “get a life”

Got it.

Has anyone seen the attrition number for March? Did I miss it or did the Union never send them out?


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Has not been officially released but the word is net 35 pilots for the month

Frontier has a full time union baby sitter in the scheduling room to oversee the assignments are being done properly. Thats how it should be done, not by pilots having to audit the company call lists like an XY list bounty hunter. If you find you were skipped, great, you file an NCC and maybe win. But that doesnt change anything about how the company is doing it the other 99.99% All this does is reaffirm what I was saying, why are pilots having to do this alone and not as a "unionized" effort by the....union?

We have union members out on full time leave, 90 hours per person. Thats a lot of money. How much would it cost to hire a data entry analyst to hit up the same XY lists that you do, but for the entire list? It would be a lot cheaper than the 90 hours for our SecTreas who is on full time leave from last I heard And when discrepancies are found, the MEC files a class grievance for ALL pilots that have been screwed, not just those that what to cozy up to the XY list at night.

Then either volunteer for that position, or bring all your brilliant ideas to an LEC meeting.

The difference between you and me is I actually hold the company accountable for violating the contract, yes it takes a few minutes out of my day once in a while, but that is still more than you’re doing.

Will it stop/prevent future infractions? No.. but what finger have you lifted other than the ones to type out your replies here.

Big man...strong.

Is the company still in a Level 3 IROP?
Last update from Miller was 10 days ago, and nothing from this union…….

also zero from the Union on the company playing chicken with pilots regarding displacements.

Looks like we’ve canceled 3 today so I’m cautiously thinking they may have regained control. Tomorrow’s a new day though and there’s a slight chance of a shower in Orlando so don’t hold your breath!