because they didn’t show up to work the last 2 weeks.

Did they take vacation time and were fired when submitting the 2 weeks or just submitted two weeks and called in sick, etc?

Bill Franke in control? Enough said.

If that’s the goal we are doomed. If they want to recruit pilots and retain them the JCBA is going to have to be yuge

Agreed, I was happy when Indigo and Franke left Spirit.

Not true. One friend put her two weeks notice in, and the company immediately removed her from the trips she was scheduled to fly. The union had to get involved to get her pay for those trips.

Most people I know that have given notice have reported being locked out of FLICA by the end of the day.

****** with a capital F Bill Franke.

God help us all.

That's fine.. last time i checked just 2 days ago I saw that the legacies need more than 12,000 pilots over the next few years. If they want to screw up our scheduling flexibility then I think those 12k pilot slots at the legacies will be filled alot quicker since majority of people at NK are here for scheduling flexibility.

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Where can I find the “red/green” info?
thank you

All the more need for a VERY strong CBA before the deal is finalized.

Franke has a well deserved rep. But the dude is like 85 years old. He’s not the threat everyone is predicting I didn’t think. Strong JCBA and nice raises will be imperative

Isn’t this going to be a bad thing for Spirit Pilots? Sorry for my lack of knowledge on either airline, but in my head I always just assumed Spirit was a much better airline than Frontier. I’ve had many friends go to Spirit over the years and lots are still there, it seems the company treated them well with a decent contract. On there other hand, I’ve known a few that have gone to Frontier and they all left within 6 months and didn’t have anything good to say.

FWIW, anecdotal and all that, I had a former Frontier guy in my new hire class here at NK.

I definitely chose to apply at NK for a reason. Currently debating if I want to update my apps or not...

Not trying to spread doom and gloom, just thinking out loud about what I'm doing for myself.

Both companies are littered with dirt bag managers. Bendo at Spirit. Brad L at Frontier.

Some of these guys were colleagues in the past.

Match made in heaven.

That's interesting. I don't know of anyone that's left for NK. At the end of the day, the F9 contract is ALMOST a carbon copy of the NK contract. NK gets some things F9 doesn't, like 321 override, and F9 gets some things NK doesn't. I'd love to speak to that individual and ask them why. The 2 airlines are way more similar than different. I can't imagine leaving one for the other and taking any seniority hit.....but everyone's individual situation and priorities are different.

Take a deep breath everyone. We will continue to operate under our CBA until we reach a TA on a JCBA. Then we will vote to accept or send it back to negotiations. Spirit currently has more than 1k more pilots on property than Frontier giving that side more leverage to shape the results of any TA. Management knows that this is a time where many pilots have options, and recruitment is stressed, so strong armed tactics won't work.

This is the only certainty that has been said thus far...used car salesman

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can't speak for them obviously but it was simply base location and generally not too fond of some F9 policies IIRC

Doesn’t the RLA have a process to combine contracts. There is also a process for an ISL to go to arbitration. I think if they go full hardball no one votes on anything. Although I think your right they won’t have the leverage.

I think giving the smaller airline the control was calculated in order to try to obtain as much leverage as possible, and not move all F9 pilots onto the spirit contract. ALPA can clearly cost each agreement and know who has the more lucrative one.

I think Atlas at first attempted to go through a combining process with Southern before they hammered out a joint deal.

Base location is the only reason I could see someone making the swap. Regardless of what the forums say, life at F9 is pretty good.

ALPA has a clearly prescribed process for merger. Since we are both ALPA carriers, that process will be the process both sides will follow.

Overall, F9 has been a great place to work, the last month notwithstanding.

There's also policy at ALPA National about two ALPA carrier combining.

Atlas/Southern was a different kind of deal, per my former Southern sim partner.

Pilots have short term memories. By next year you won't even remember last month happened.

it’s simple, we can vote NO 👍🏼.

call me optimistic but I look forward to working with the F9 group. Both groups have been through some sh*t 😂

can you guys drop your entire schedule to 0?

As a Frontier pilot I'd just like to say hi and will look forward to integration with you guys. I've always been treated well by Spirit crews and I'm sure we will do great together.

This merger will cause some temporary uncertainty and friction but I have no doubt we will be much stronger together than apart.

Frontier has been great. Don't get hung up on some negative stuff on the forums. I've been at F9 for 8+ years and never been wronged by management. It's been a great ride so far and I think we will come out of this with a better contract for both of us and be a very strong airline with great job security for our careers.

Looking forward to it guys.

Cheers,
Aero

#2 reason I came to NK was schedule flexibility.

If I'm going to work under basically the same rules as any other carrier, I might as well go work at a carrier that pays more.

Still unsure how to view the news… of course my $SAVE stock enjoys the news…. For now.

F9 guy here and I’m extremely excited to work with all of you! You all have been nothing but class acts each time I’ve ridden on you. This will be great for everyone in the long run when the merger pain subsides.

It’s said that every airline has their 10% of “special” pilots. I firmly believe that at F9 and NK it’s only 1%. With that said, I’ll be blunt. To the few in here claiming it’s time to update your apps - put a pin in your ego. Spirit management hasn’t been giving out lollipops and unicorns to your pilot group either. Yes, F9 management/pilot relations has had a rough month. I don’t defend the actions of the section 19s that went out. ORD closing, however, now makes more sense than ever. And inefficient F9 base where the pilots can be better utilized in other bases in the short term. We had very limited departures out of there. NK had a large presence. I’m very confident that ORD will continue to be a pilot base of the combined company. Yes the closure was sudden and it sucked. But the company DID follow the contract and give the required notice. None of us like the way it was done or the fact that it happened, but it’s wasn’t the earth shattering crime that the forums are making it out to be.

How many planes does Spirit have on order?

Frontier has about 185 I think?

NK/F9 Merger Announced
 

https://evenmoreultralowfares.com/wp...nfographic.pdf

According to this, the combined airline today has 283 aircraft and 350 on order.

Last I checked Frontier is supposed to be 211 by 2026 and Spirit is supposed to be 293 by 2027.

Atp mins
 

With spirit dropping hiring requirements to ATP Mins will this change now? Has anyone ever got offered a FO position at spirit with the hiring eligibility dropped to minimums?

With Indigo having the ability to put them wherever them deem to be best, including their other airlines correct?

Personally glad to see the 2 of us coming together.

There'll be short term pain but long term gain from this for all of us. I hope we take the best out of each other's contracts, especially quality of life rules. Let's work together to make this new company a great place to have a career.

What is indigo’s controlling interest in Frontier now that they are public? I know indigo had the orders to be placed at Frontier but ultimately it was/is indigo not frontier that controls those orders. How if at all did that change after IPO

No, there are tons of FO's at regionals who cannot get a response from Spirit or Frontier. Only people getting that offer is probably from their cadet program/partnership with schools and I know ATP flight school only sent the crème de la crème to Frontier

Not trying to be snarky, just not as familiar: what do F9 pilots get that NK pilots don't?

I just interviewed and was offered a class date. Everyone in my group that interviewed that day were all FOs from all different regionals. Times were as low as 2K to 3K