125% credit per hour over 82 hour of credit is a big one.

Got it, thanks. I prioritize QOL things like schedule flexibility above pay (if I prioritized pay I'd simply go elsewhere). Does Frontier have any advantages on that front?

I was just recently offered a CJO from spirit..?
Does this change anything??

Especially if you are reserve in base. I rarely get called (for now) and so I don’t mind picking up a few trips on my days off. It adds up quickly especially if I’m picking up a premium trip at 1.25%.

Other than that, not much more than NK. It is nice not to have to wear sunglasses on a walk around though.

Yes, All the Frontier pilots will be senior to you.

They get more vacation at frontier. I think it is substantially better, I can’t remember the details though.

you can pick up on reserve? We can’t.

They called in sick during their 2 weeks notice.

And all the Spirit pilots too!

Correct, reserves pick up on their days off. Open time trips or premium trips.

Sounds like a nice perk for reserves who don’t get used. what’s a premium trip pay?

Premium add folder pay is 150%. First come first snatched. No Junior manning.

Sounds like there needs to be a plus and minus discussion.

NK has green day drops and X/Y list(200%).

For example, you could drop your entire month with the intent to have unlimited days off.

You can choose to list yourself on X/Y and work on a day off for 200% pay.

Don't want to say anything that could possibly be misconstrued into some kind of RLA thing but some people are really good at taking two different parts of the contract and making it work in their favor. ;)

or say you're a new hire and didn't get the base you wanted right away, you can green day drop your relief line and pick up in your base of choice.

Also to note with the premium add folder, the pay is 150% of the credit assigned to the trip. So, a trip that would be 10 hours under normal circumstances might have 2 hours of incentive credit added to it for a total of 12 hours of credit. So, the 150% is paid for the 12 hours. If you’re over 82 hours for the month that will then add an additional 125% pay. Incentive credit varies, but I’ve seen it range from 0 to 20 hours.

So a 10 hour two day goes into premium with 2 hours of incentive pay attached:

10 hours + 2 hours of incentive pay = 12 hours
12 hours @ 150% = 18 hours
*if the pilot picking it up is over 82 hours of credit for the month*
18 hours @ 125% = 22.5 hours

So a pilot picking up the 10 hour trip will receive 18 hours of pay, or 22.5 of over 82 hours.

Snootchie bootchie nootchies! I think this is great news for both pilot groups.

^^^
Also, this is independent of aircraft type. We get this for 321 or a 320. It's an amazing tool to hustle. Currently, our limitation to maximize this is we can't drop below 50 hours in Flica. With NK's ability to drop to 0, something will have to give on this because THAT combo would be too good to be true.

Both pilot groups are ALPA which means they will merge via ALPA merger policy. Who is buying who is not relevant. ALPA merger policy will require the two sides to meet and attempt to negotiate a agreement. When they fail to do that which is the norm it will go to binding arbitration. Separate from that both sides have to negotiate a joint contract with management. In addition a constructive date of merger is normally applied as off the date intent to merge is announced. Pilots hired after that date normally go date of hire.

Wow, that’s pretty sweet. Combine stuff like this with our 4 days off between work blocks and ability to drop to zero and this is a win.

I caught it. Nice one!

The big win is the fact that to pull this off management MUST get a JCBA. They can’t drag it out for a few years like they normally do, benefitting from pay rates negotiated 5+ years previously. They need to get things done. And in this compels them to come to the table and get a deal promptly. The pilots need to hold out for the best QOL provisions of EACH contract.

Glad you aren’t an ALPA negotiator with THAT attitude.

can you drop reserve days?

ufff I can see this being a catalyst for NK guys to give up red green days.

Another poster I don’t want on the negotiating team. GIVE UP should not be in anyone’s lexicon. This is the most advantageous period for negotiations ALPA has ever seen. For the love of God, don’t start posting what you think ought to be given up.

C’mon man. I’m definitely all about educating those about the company culture and what it’s really like to work as a pilot for said company. What recent merger ended up in this scenario? Especially when the same union represents both pilot groups.

Obvious you missed the satire. Base on our historical factor on our pilot group and alpa " what will you give up?". Im with you, we shouldnt give up anything.

FWIW they didn't hammer out a joint deal. Teamsters got destroyed at arbitration and Atlas walked away with a gift of a contract. The arbitration was so strong in management's favor, that management asked the teamsters if they could renegotiate rates and work rules to stem attrition. Teamsters played it terribly.

Just my prediction, not negotiation statement: not going to happen. Too many pilots are at NK specifically for that and the ability to drop to zero. Losing either would stimulate a mass exodus even larger than what is already happening.

Short answer is no.

Only if the rsv days are part of a reduced credit line (a hybrid line that PBS builds if it has trips left over at the end of a run but can’t get you to the normal credit window, Navblue will add rsv days to your schedule for 4 hours a day to complete your schedule).

All other reserve drops for pilots receiving a regular reserve line are at scheduling’s discretion which is basically always a big fat NO. Someone chime in if they’ve had a different experience.

Yes as a F9 captain when I was on RSV
I had about a 40% success rate dropping a RSV day.

It’s more than that. While, yes - F9 is buying NK, the NK pilots outnumber the F9 pilots roughly 3 to 2. Getting the NK pilot community to give up ANYTHING will take a helluva big management GIVE, especially in the current environment.

How many millions of dollars payout per eye bag wrinkle and each half inch of beard hair?

Ability to drop to zero and practicality to are different things. While the “giving stuff up” sentiment is the wrong way to think, combining certain things can have adverse effects.

For example the first 18 hours of daily open time is already a feeding frenzy which bogs down flica to a crawl, now add in all the reserve pilots into the mix who are also trying to snap up open time. I’m not saying reserve pick up is a bad idea on its face, just that there is a lot to be considered.

So what’s going to be the new identifier for F9/NK. 9N? N9? KF? FK? No, probably not FK….

THrow money and see what happens.

I don't care what the code is, can we at least ditch the Spirit Wings and Frontier Flight? Since F9 is technically buying, I propose an animal themed call sign. My vote is for "Harambe".

FKN

filler and stuff.

IT problems are fixable. Just add money.

Unfortunately, FK = Kelowna Flightcraft Air Charter from Canadia