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fcoolaiddrinker 02-08-2022 10:16 AM

We have two rigs. Trip rig. 1-3.5. Then an average min duty period of 5 credit. We had 1-3.75 so improved that and that’s where the comparison is potentially incorrect. I’m not sure the 2-1 duty would be any better than the 5 credit min duty. It would only be an improvement after 10 hrs duty and would hurt anything below that. Software will need to analyze existing sequences to figure that one out. We have a whole bunch of sub 5 block turns that pay 5 that would be destroyed. Do you guys have either a min calendar or duty period? If so is it an average?

Bulldog319 02-08-2022 10:18 AM


Originally Posted by Bornflying (Post 3368899)
Thanks just found it here...this compares a lot of factors:

SPIRIT PILOTS’ CONTRACT COMPARISON
SPIRIT AIRLINES MEC
https://ravencareers.com/wp-content/...1632627896.pdf

yeah F9 is "Greater of 1 for 6 or actual block hours" or 1:3.75 trip


Nice info, The deadhead pay comparison for F9 is incorrect though. there is not a 50% provision

fcoolaiddrinker 02-08-2022 10:25 AM

That comparison was more than likely composed before our current agreement was ratified. There’s quite a few mistakes. Probably was just updated august 2021.

BeatNavy 02-08-2022 11:22 AM

So, 1 or 2 jumpseats on future (and existing) Fearit planes?

Fah2 02-08-2022 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by BeatNavy (Post 3368950)
So, 1 or 2 jumpseats on future (and existing) Fearit planes?

The single jump seat option on Spirit planes was a cost savings idea which eliminated the jump seat and O2 mask and it’s associated maintenance. Same with brake fans and foot warmers and a few other options. Some of the original 319’s and aircraft acquired from other carriers have them.

As far as future orders, changing the spec usually costs money after the order is placed, even years out.

Most likely the bean counters will figure out which costs less and go that route, which may include taking differently equipped planes from each order.

gatorbird 02-08-2022 01:22 PM


Originally Posted by 8JRMfortheyear (Post 3367967)
ufff I can see this being a catalyst for NK guys to give up red green days.

Give up red/green? Someone already found the secret stash of good herb the Denver Flying Club smokes from.

4WDriver 02-08-2022 02:17 PM

Does NK have a vaccine mandate?

cantflylist 02-08-2022 02:18 PM

Nope nope nope

Halon1211 02-08-2022 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by 4WDriver (Post 3369072)
Does NK have a vaccine mandate?

no Polio vaccine mandate

ElCaribe 02-08-2022 03:44 PM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 3368661)
Just want to pop in and say that I am so pleased how well everyone is working together so far. If we can keep this up as a pilot group, we will be in for a big win. Together we are much better than seperated. Thankfully the differences in our current contracts are small, so this should go fairly smoothly, at least on our end. Glad to be partnering up with the F9'ers.

It’s been 2 days and the only thing that’s happened is an announcement…

TurboFanMan 02-08-2022 04:23 PM


Originally Posted by Fyziksisphun (Post 3368801)
I live far enough from base that driving for 3-4 day trips is no big deal, but driving out for 1-2 day trips would quickly suck. Are people wanting to fight to preserve the minimum 4 days off after a trip guarantee, both for itself and to prevent Sprontier from going to a day trip model?


^^^^^^ I’m definitely on board with ya!!^^^^^^^
Why get rid of the 4 off min? Don’t like it, waive it!!!

Acehole 02-08-2022 04:34 PM


Originally Posted by dualinput (Post 3368386)
this kind of attitude gets you shiit and it exactly why we have the contracts we have. You do more with less everyday compared to other airlines in the same planes. There is absolutely zero reason we cannot achieve the highest paying narrow body contract (not some nonsense like sun country dos+5) and absolute best work rules. Yes they can drag their feet and stall as usual and yes they can try and keep us separate for as long as possible but if they want to grow and attract and retain pilots they are going to have to go big. We get to decide. Know when to hold them and know when to fold them. They are going to bluff all the way to the end.

this guy gets it!!!!!

Cyio 02-08-2022 05:41 PM


Originally Posted by ElCaribe (Post 3369155)
It’s been 2 days and the only thing that’s happened is an announcement…

Thanks captain obvious.

ElCaribe 02-08-2022 06:32 PM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 3369224)
Thanks captain obvious.

You’re welcome First Officer Oblivious.

gatorbird 02-08-2022 07:37 PM


Originally Posted by fcoolaiddrinker (Post 3368872)
You might have language that dictates required trip composition percentages? No idea but it’s common.

We don't. We collectively should.

OneplusF 02-08-2022 08:03 PM


Originally Posted by more windshear (Post 3368330)
Y’all crack me up. “I’ve been treated great by f9/nk crews etc…” isn’t that genuinely true across the board? Lol. Secondly, y’all keep saying “said legacy plus one”, at the end of the day we are still spirit and frontier, the 9th grade team of high school, not even junior varsity. Yes, I want all of those and then some, but let’s be realistic on where we are in our careers.


Do us all a favor and keep your low self-worth to yourself

Chimpy 02-09-2022 02:19 AM


Originally Posted by sobo (Post 3368785)
I think everyone can agree dropping to 0 is better and I don’t think there’s a single guy at F9 that will argue otherwise unless the new negotiated rules really screw up the reserve grid (red/green as you call it).

What we are saying is our QOL isn’t as bad as may have been led on, which is a good thing, because it is less of a gap to negotiate.

Historically drop/swap have been very easy tools to use at F9.

glad to hear it 👍🏼

sioux8ships 02-09-2022 04:54 AM


Originally Posted by OneplusF (Post 3369282)
Do us all a favor and keep your low self-worth to yourself

Sounds like Skywest is a good place for more windshear. Maybe the alternative school never called him up to play midget ball?

more windshear 02-09-2022 09:47 AM


Originally Posted by sioux8ships (Post 3369356)
Sounds like Skywest is a good place for more windshear. Maybe the alternative school never called him up to play midget ball?

Over 10 years here, it’s reality, just accept who we are.

Judge Smails 02-09-2022 11:38 AM


Originally Posted by more windshear (Post 3369527)
Over 10 years here, it’s reality, just accept who we are.

…and yet you’re still here. Your lack of a spine is exactly what management loves. It speaks volumes about your self worth if you think this place is merely a stepping stone.

sioux8ships 02-09-2022 12:34 PM


Originally Posted by Judge Smails (Post 3369601)
…and yet you’re still here. Your lack of a spine is exactly what management loves. It speaks volumes about your self worth if you think this place is merely a stepping stone.

He’s trolling I hope.. but the mentality and past participation in union SPSC events unfortunately speaks volumes. Hopefully our junior guys participate and fight for what we deserve!

Bike Handles 02-09-2022 12:47 PM

https://i.ibb.co/WBr8dtG/64lzp6.jpg
Sorry this is late y'all. Still time to play!

CincoDeMayo 02-09-2022 12:51 PM


Originally Posted by sioux8ships (Post 3369630)
He’s trolling I hope.. but the mentality and past participation in union SPSC events unfortunately speaks volumes. Hopefully our junior guys participate and fight for what we deserve!

Luckily we are merging with a pilot group that had almost 50% of their group show up to Denver on a cold snowy day to picket.

Fah2 02-09-2022 01:00 PM

While it’s not over yet, today's town hall will soon break down to repetitive questions.

Biggest takeaways:

Merger first hinges on approval, historic time frame is roughly 9 months give or take. After that it will depend on intergration/labor groups/etc which is possible to take a year or two.

Will run as stand alone companies in the mean time, which includes individual base decisions, training facilities, hiring needs, etc.

No decisions on Name, operations location, uniforms, cabin for time being.

No plans to cancel or delay any aircraft, combined fleet 493 by 2026

Bendo mentioned training has a plan to increase training capacity, while upgrade numbers dipped, plan is still to restore and increase upgrades.

Admitted attrition is a concern, talks about growth and opportunity as incentive, vaguely talked about discussing with ALPA if becomes more of a problem, whatever that means.

Overall theme of ‘business as usual’ operationally until merger is approved. 125 planes have WiFi now, full fleet by end of the year, self bag drop will continue, destinations planned to open will go forward.

Halon1211 02-09-2022 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by Bike Handles (Post 3369643)
https://i.ibb.co/WBr8dtG/64lzp6.jpg
Sorry this is late y'all. Still time to play!


BINGO! ...I got a BINGO!!! What did I win??

DrSteveBrule 02-09-2022 01:28 PM

We're all now dumber for having listened to that.

Stomper 02-09-2022 01:34 PM


Originally Posted by DrSteveBrule (Post 3369660)
We're all now dumber for having listened to that.

I was not dumb enough to listen.

dualinput 02-09-2022 02:30 PM


Originally Posted by Stomper (Post 3369664)
I was not dumb enough to listen.

Seriously what does anyone expect to gain from these?

Squeaky banana 02-09-2022 02:32 PM

Did you expect clarity?

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SSlow 02-09-2022 02:35 PM


Originally Posted by DrSteveBrule (Post 3369660)
We're all now dumber for having listened to that.

It was so painful that I turned it off.

Fah2 02-09-2022 02:47 PM


Originally Posted by dualinput (Post 3369691)
Seriously what does anyone expect to gain from these?

Nothing substantial, but as giddy as Ted and Bendo were, you just know they will make out like bandits in this deal.

Which tells me how badly they want it to happen, which tells me we go full court press on the contract.

skigambia 02-09-2022 03:09 PM


Originally Posted by FahQ2 (Post 3369698)
Nothing substantial, but as giddy as Ted and Bendo were, you just know they will make out like bandits in this deal.

Which tells me how badly they want it to happen, which tells me we go full court press on the contract.

I hope you realize that the merger and our contract are completely separate from each other. The merger doesn't require us to have a JCBA to be approved.

more windshear 02-09-2022 03:12 PM


Originally Posted by Stomper (Post 3369664)
I was not dumb enough to listen.

you are though, that's why we are all here.

Fah2 02-09-2022 03:51 PM


Originally Posted by skigambia (Post 3369712)
I hope you realize that the merger and our contract are completely separate from each other. The merger doesn't require us to have a JCBA to be approved.

Yes, I’m quite aware of that. That doesn’t change my outlook on what should be sought from the next CBA.

dualinput 02-09-2022 05:33 PM

They could be giddy because they plan to platinum parachute out and can coast for the next number of months waiting for this to close to take their money and buy an island.

Macjet 02-10-2022 09:29 AM


Originally Posted by FahQ2 (Post 3369698)
Nothing substantial, but as giddy as Ted and Bendo were, you just know they will make out like bandits in this deal.

Which tells me how badly they want it to happen, which tells me we go full court press on the contract.

All of the executives will receive a bonus equal to 150% of their annual base salary. It's in the merger filing.

My ratification bonus minimum will also be 150% of my annual base salary. That's in addition to this third rate contract being propelled into its proper place as the new 5th largest airline. My 'yes' vote is going to be exxxxxppppeeeeennnnnssssssiiiiiiivvvvveeeeee.

dualinput 02-10-2022 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by Macjet (Post 3370146)
All of the executives will receive a bonus equal to 150% of their annual base salary. It's in the merger filing.

My ratification bonus minimum will also be 150% of my annual base salary. That's in addition to this third rate contract being propelled into its proper place as the new 5th largest airline. My 'yes' vote is going to be exxxxxppppeeeeennnnnssssssiiiiiiivvvvveeeeee.

And there are other bonuses as well. And that’s just for now. If they get the boot I’m sure the severance will be handsome. If they stay in charge at the combined company I’m sure the compensation increase will be massive.

IamEssential 02-10-2022 01:36 PM


Originally Posted by FahQ2 (Post 3369698)
Nothing substantial, but as giddy as Ted and Bendo were, you just know they will make out like bandits in this deal.

Which tells me how badly they want it to happen, which tells me we go full court press on the contract.

lol, glad I am not the only one who picked up on that. They literally had dollar sign in their eyes.

SSlow 02-10-2022 02:25 PM


Originally Posted by Macjet (Post 3370146)
All of the executives will receive a bonus equal to 150% of their annual base salary. It's in the merger filing.

My ratification bonus minimum will also be 150% of my annual base salary. That's in addition to this third rate contract being propelled into its proper place as the new 5th largest airline. My 'yes' vote is going to be exxxxxppppeeeeennnnnssssssiiiiiiivvvvveeeeee.

Now we're talking

Know your worth Kings!

BeechedJet 02-10-2022 03:35 PM

150% annual pay bonus and a snack box, let’s not settle here,


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