so how are those self-driving Tesla’s working out?

Pretty well actually. Mine drives itself to work.


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FUPM indeed. They took advantage of the situation when the supply & demand was in their favor. Now it’s time for us to feed. Let’s go!

untill you come to a construction zone. Mine had no idea how to handle a contra flow lane. Or something other than a normal situation.

Suprised yours didn’t fall apart before getting to work. I had many quality issues and glitches ended up selling it after 3-4 months.

I don't think the robots are taking our jobs soon. But saving money for retirement is really important and should be emphasized more

you should always be saving the most amount money you can. never know what might happens medical out furlough loose job etc.

C-suite gave themselves 18 months of pay to sign a contract, nobody asked us if we think they deserve that. Maybe we shouldn't worry what they think about our ask. If they can extra money for them, they can afford COLA+raise for us.

Exactly.

I'll probably shock someone with this statement, but Pilots have big egos.

Management plays into this personality trait by convincing pilots that we can make or break an airline based on what we're paid. Since we already believe we're the center of every universe, it's not a big step for us to believe that our salaries are critical to the survival of our airline. Fact is that decisions far above our heads will determine the profitability and ultimately, the survival of our airline.

We should earn market wages. NOT "discount pilot" market wages as ALPA national and our bosses would have us believe. MARKET WAGES. We fly between 180 and 236 passengers at every departure. Pilots flying 180 to 236 passenger aircraft should be our market comparator. Our compensation should include all forms of compensation: Profit Sharing, Hourly Wages, Retirement Contribution, Per Diem, Time Away from Family... (rig), Days off, etc. We absolutely SHOULD NOT accept the premise that we are sub-standard pilots because we fly for an ULCC and therefore should be paid less. Alpa National bought this premise in our contract the last time and we are therefor not compensated appropriately. I was told face-to-face in front of a crowd during recurrent ground school by a negotiating committee member (here at F9) that we are actually paid more than same Legacy narrobody pilots because we have the ability to work more each month and we're paid at 125% for everything over 82 credit hours. I was flabbergasted and questioned his logic, but he stood firm. That about sums it up.

I'm hoping that the combination of our two airlines will provide for more, ahem... seasoned... representatives on the negotiating committee. I'm also hoping that our group of 4500+ pilots versus the tiny 2018 group of F9 pilots will be sufficient to garner more vigorous representation from ALPA national.

I agree with all the above.

This is our time to get our contact on a level playing field.

No doubt we made huge progress on our current contract but we must keep moving forward

Wishful thinking for the NK side of this equation. 2 of our 3 negotiators are from the same 'discount pilot' mentality that delivered our subpar 2018 contract.

If the joint negotiating team doesn't come through then we vote down the JCBA and demand that both MEC's replace the negotiating committee. If the MEC's refuse to recall the negotiators then we demand through our LEC's a recall of the MEC's. My crystal ball says that this is exactly what we will have to do.

i wasn’t here for 2018 but I’ve been reading all the posts between the two pilot groups on each carriers forum page and I’m excited and happy to see the positive comments and the strive for nothing but the best. I hope we all flood our respective negotiating committees email address with our wish lists and let it be known loud and clear what it is we want. I’m asking for the moon and nothing less.

My crystal ball says the JCBA gets voted in on roughly the same lines as the current contracts. (At F9 I think ours passed by 72% if I recall correctly)

Getting the LECs to listen and recall will take a miracle. Most of the reps have been put in place and backed by the MEC. It’s a good ole boys club. Why do you think we’ve had basically the same negotiators for so long?? It would be easier to find an honest politician in Washington.

Both pilot groups need to demand their voices be heard! No better time than now for us!

Yep. This is true at F9. If you don't have the support of the majority of the existing union representatives, you won't be elected to any position. There are approximately 2-1/2 people involved with our union at F9 that I have any confidence in at all. They are routinely out-pussied by the majority.

It will happen. Unfortunately all it takes is a future generation that is used to and comfortable with driverless cars.

I told my dentist I expect to walk into her office one day and see a robot drilling and filling my cavity. Then I know pilotless planes are on the way.

Don't get cataract surgery then. Because then you will know.

I have no intention of getting rid of my Cadillac. I like driving it.

By that time I’ll be dead.

If I understand, cataract surgery is all automated. There is not an ophthalmologist to be found in the building. That is what I hear you saying.

The first iteration will be a single pilot cockpit. Pilot shortage over. This will likely happen before I retire. I don’t think I’ll see a fully automated cockpit in my lifetime, but that depends on how long I live.

I laugh at people who think that.

you thought the 737 Max fiasco was bad....

it’s like people have never heard of a computer having a glitch or something going out of the ordinary.

God forbid that single pilot has a stroke and the computer glitches.

How many times have you seen the Windows blue screen of death?

https://i.ibb.co/0XBjk2Z/B55-C29-CE-...DF13-E95-F.jpg

in an aircraft it won’t be rhetorical…

Hello German Wings...

Yeah, that FA is offering a ton of protection from this event from happening.

Touche. However, th FA thing is only a few minutes. An entire flight, with demons in one's head slaying each other.... Redrum Redrum Redrum

So your standard red eye then.

might be harder to get 2 ATPs to chant redrum in sync... actually, hard to get 2 ATPs to do anything in sync - just see the discord on these forums

here is a question. Why do we ask to see a jumpseaters medical when a FA doesn’t need one to be in the cockpit?

I award you zero points for that question

and I award you -5 points for that answer.

I mean it is a legitimate question. Pointless. However, I get what you’re saying.

Blame the FAA for that stupidness. The same inept organization that brought you the 737 Max fiasco.

OK shifting gears here. It will be interesting to see where the new Spirit/Frontier headquarters is.

obviously Spirit Airlines has broke ground on its headquarters/training facility in FLL. And I believe TC even said they will continue to build that headquarters despite the merger.

there has also been some local support from business leaders in South Florida to keep the headquarters here.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.loc...outputType=amp

however, Bill Frankie, and frontier will have majority vote. And maybe the city of Denver will give them an incentive to expand a headquarters in Denver. (Article below)

https://www.yahoo.com/news/denver-of...134258852.html

Or maybe this is Bill Frankie‘s retirement plan like all AARP members...to end up in south Florida...

F9er here. Bill Frankie and Indigo headquarters are already in the 2nd wheelchair capital of the world - Phoenix. It’s obvious that F9 has started becoming a very Florida centric airline and NK already was. My guess would be that the construction of the headquarters will continue as planned and it will ultimately become the headquarters of the combined airline. I’d be glad to see it too. I’m not a big fan of Denver.

This right here. NK is FL #1 airline in terms of flights per day/pax carried to the state. The combined airline will have a huge margin over whoever is #2 (maybe WN/JB 🤷🏻‍♂️).

We serve 7 cities in Colombia now and have a very strong brand and presence in, not only Colombia, but throughout Latin America and the Caribbean.

I imagine Florida is more willing to give bigger tax breaks than Colorado.

Taxes are frequently the deciding factor in things like this

Tax incentives, geographic advantage, or even access to shuffleboard courts could all be a factor, however…

At the end of the day it’s office space on land that’s worth more today than it was purchased. It will be worth even more after it’s developed.

Worst case scenario, it’s deemed unnecessary post merger, and the whole thing is sold for a tidy profit. I don’t think it’s worth reading into too much.

Show your work. I think you’re incorrect.