I just threw up a little

With a pot leaf as our logo. It will be as recognized and loved as the United tulip.

With this, the new headquarters should be in Boulder.

Does this mean I can wear a pink double breasted jacket?

yes!

stuffer....

Word from where?

forums.gullible.com

You'd think someone that cares so much about the ULCC model, and is so die-hard about cost, that would pay for articulated animals on the tail of his airplanes. Not even the money it costs, but also the weight. Yet at Spirit, when he controlled it, did the exact opposite.

I believe it’s a sticker? So that’s quite a bit cheaper than paint. They must view the marketing value as worth it.

Anyone have a copy of F9's seniority list or know where that might be? Curious to see the DOH picture on their side.

As long as they can incorporate "wings" into the call sign.....Harmony wings 305, cleared to ......heaven!

Already been widely distributed in chat groups. Just ask the next guy you fly with.

Straight DOH integration results in absolute minimal percentage change in relative seniority.

Depends where you sit on the list. Some Spirit guys lose 3-5% and Frontier gains 3-5%. Seems to even out further down the list.

5% decrease for this guy with DOH.

Wouldn’t a relative seniority integration result in the “absolute minimal percentage change in relative seniority“?

Yes. Status Category has been the popular integration method used in many of the recent “larger” arbitrated mergers. Status and Category is also 1 of the 3 criteria to be considered in the ALPA merger policy.

Because NK and F9 both fly the same category aircraft, I would bet we would see a status category integration, which would look a lot like relative seniority since we all fly the same category aircraft.

😂 this is my favorite post of this thread. Truth.

The problem is guys get too wrapped around DOH. I agree though, relative seniority helps maintain the quality of life aspect that seniority lists provide, this isnt affecting anyones longevity.

But...

We all know it won't be this simple.

You speak truth.

If we merge with relative seniority, I lose practically nothing. We merge with DOH, I lose just over 2% relatively. Not bad, but worse than pure relative. I’m more concerned with the JCBA than the SLI to be honest. We Spirit pilots have a lot more to lose with a bad JCBA than a straight DOH integration….
Keep focused!

I am not sure why people are more concerned about the JCBA any more than they would be about the next individual CBA? Especially the NK pilots who substantially outnumber the F9 pilots. The pressure to get this done is on management, not the pilots’ union. If they want the votes to realize the economies of scale and synergy THAT THEY ARE TOUTING, they come up with an acceptable JCBA. Not any different than usual, really.

Ummm, if the merge is approved, there won’t be a next CBA. No way an individual CBA is negotiated, AIP’d & TA’d and subsequently voted on before the approval on the merger.
And, between both of our current CBAs, after reviewing both, we Spirit pilots have more to lose if the JCBA is not negotiated appropriately. Frontier definitely has a few aspects that I would love to incorporate into the final piece, but as a blueprint…. Yeah.
Also, we need to incorporate other airlines language too! This is not just a JCBA but also a chance for both of our groups to capture certain aspects of other CBAs that we like as well. Let’s keep a broad mind and capture all the gold that exists.

Agree, but my point is the CBA was up for renegotiating anyway, so if there hadn’t been a merger planned, we would still be going through the negotiation process, and it will still require a majority vote, with NK Pilots being a majority of the combined group.

It doesn’t seem to pose any greater negotiating risk than any CBA negotiation would have been with the fact that Sprontier needs a JCBA for the merger actually giving the pilots additional leverage.

Does that mean the pilot group can’t screw up the negotiation? Probably not, but at least they’ll have to work harder to do it.

My bad, I was looking at a relative integration list not a DOH hire list.

If this merger is like my previous experience with an ALPA/ALPA merger, the JCBA AIP is TA’d by both MEC’s individually before it can be sent for separate ratification by each pilot group. In other words, the NK pilots cannot “outnumber” the F9 pilots. If the process is different or has changed in the last 5 years, then disregard.

There will be some pressure on the company to get this JCBA done so that they can merge the pilot lists, but don't think that there isn't a million other important things they need to do. There's all sorts of merging they can do without us. Reservation systems, HR depts, branding, finance, IT etc.

Its not like the plan is dead in the water until they sign our new joint contract. All kinds of non flight ops stuff they need to do. We are only one piece of a huge plan.

That being said, I do believe that we are in a very strong position to get a great contract. If we can take some of it best provisions from each contract and add money on top... we will be doing just fine

Not just the best of our contracts, but incorporate the best of others as well….

Don't forget, "good" is subjective and in the eyes of the beholder. What is good for you may not be good for me and vice versa.

What’s not subjective is comparable pay to A320 legacy rates and since we jam pack our planes full, and don’t have the option to move up to a wide body at the very least we should expect legacy rates

I agree, we deserve legacy pay rates.

Do we think that the timing of this jcba might actually not be in our favor as the legacies probably won't be getting any pay raises any time soon?

We don't really have a good pattern to follow here. Maybe be best in some other airlines get new contracts and we can try and piggy back of them

One of them will sign before us. I’m not voting for anything until then unless it’s FAR above what they currently make.

Has anyone thats been at either company (Spirit/frontier) start off as a 135 pilot? or are most people from the regionals?

Tons, why?

I'm just starting out at a 135 now and didn't know if i should make the jump to the regionals or ride it out to build turbine time and then apply for NK/F9. People on the forums make me worried they don't accept any time other than 121 regional time.

If your goal is 121, go 121. You just won’t build time and experience fast enough even at a busy 135.

Yeah thats the thing, since i've never been at either, i don't know which one is right for me.

Goto a regional, fly yourbutt off. Start putting out apps to majors at about 500 121 SIC.

man, the times have changed.

135 is not for you, trust me

Or go to a regional with enough captains and hope to fly yourbutt off..

Apps need to be in as soon as the ink on the temporary ATP is dry. They’re interviewing and hiring people with less than 300 turbine.