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DrDHD 03-04-2022 02:25 PM


Originally Posted by rjpennell24 (Post 3383022)
I'm just starting out at a 135 now and didn't know if i should make the jump to the regionals or ride it out to build turbine time and then apply for NK/F9. People on the forums make me worried they don't accept any time other than 121 regional time.

they truly accept people from 135. They hired folks from 135 in 2017/2018

Fast forward to 2022 - now they hire cfis from ATP flight school and regional pilots with 1700
hours.

if you truly want to be here don’t be marketable to a legacy, be able to pass 5 sims, and be able to fog a mirror.

FNGFO 03-04-2022 04:15 PM


Originally Posted by rjpennell24 (Post 3382987)
Has anyone thats been at either company (Spirit/frontier) start off as a 135 pilot? or are most people from the regionals?

I spent over a decade flying fractionals before Spirit, and 4+ years at a 135 freight operation before that. They haven’t chased me off the property yet.

Halon1211 03-04-2022 07:45 PM


Originally Posted by FNGFO (Post 3383176)
I spent over a decade flying fractionals before Spirit, and 4+ years at a 135 freight operation before that. They haven’t chased me off the property yet.

just leave that to Bill Frankie...He’ll chase half the pilots off.

FNGFO 03-04-2022 11:35 PM


Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 3383284)
just leave that to Bill Frankie...He’ll chase half the pilots off.

That is becoming obvious.

SlimBob 03-05-2022 12:26 AM


Originally Posted by rjpennell24 (Post 3383022)
I'm just starting out at a 135 now and didn't know if i should make the jump to the regionals or ride it out to build turbine time and then apply for NK/F9. People on the forums make me worried they don't accept any time other than 121 regional time.

Thought I was going 121 but then 2008 happened. Flew 91/135 for 10 years. Now at Spirit. 91/135 was 20x more fun than airline flying but I'm very happy I'm here now. I don't wish I came here sooner though.

Mulligan Please 03-06-2022 06:38 PM

Looking back I tried to do the 135 thing instead of the regionals. Pilots who started at my old regional the same time I started the 135 job in 2014 have all flowed to American and have already been there 2 years. Just saying, I wish I went 121 from the start. I maybe only had 200 hrs in those 2 years. Plus the sign on bonuses are insane at the regionals.

Halon1211 03-08-2022 09:14 AM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/kdvr.co...-airlines/amp/

Bike Handles 03-08-2022 09:40 AM

"a merger of two of the most low-ranking airlines..." Uhh, I mean it's not great but there are many others in the category of "most low-ranking".

https://i.ibb.co/6ZrFsgT/Screen-Shot...0-37-46-AM.png

emersonbiguns 03-08-2022 10:19 AM


Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 3385197)

Think there might be some United bias from a Colorado AG?

Airlines owe you a refund when they cancel a flight. So why is United balking during coronavirus crisis?

emersonbiguns 03-08-2022 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by Bike Handles (Post 3385213)
"a merger of two of the most low-ranking airlines..." Uhh, I mean it's not great but there are many others in the category of "most low-ranking".

So, what do you get when UAL buys Hawaiian?


A turd wearing a lei....


F9 isn't about customer service - it's about $ and not $$$$. NK's been around long enough that their customers have low expectations. F9's customers still think they're the old Frontier, not a ULCC.

turbojet28 03-08-2022 10:31 AM

This guy has been after F9 for a long time. Pretty sure that if F9 had broken any laws regarding consumer refunds etc during covid that they already would’ve been fined/penalized.

Halon1211 03-10-2022 09:56 AM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2022/03/10/business/spirit-frontier-airline-merger.amp.htm

of course it would be this bimbo in Washington.

CincoDeMayo 03-10-2022 10:39 AM


Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 3386499)

Many bimbos. All of the progressive left is in on this. They literally are concerned that F9 and NK will merger and drop the ULCC model, which would raise airfares. People are clueless.

flyingpuma1 03-10-2022 11:01 AM


Let’s be honest Spirit isn’t helping by opening new bases where Frontier already has them, the doj doesn’t tend to like overlap and spirit is handing them more.


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dualinput 03-10-2022 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by flyingpuma1 (Post 3386542)
Let’s be honest Spirit isn’t helping by opening new bases where Frontier already has them, the doj doesn’t tend to like overlap and spirit is handing them more.


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Pilot domiciles do not equate to more or less overlap. It’s most likely not even a factor. We are putting pilots where we already have flying.

TOGALOCK 03-10-2022 11:27 AM


Originally Posted by dualinput (Post 3386560)
Pilot domiciles do not equate to more or less overlap. It’s most likely not even a factor. We are putting pilots where we already have flying.

^^this^^

If anything it is showing how the two airlines compliment each other rather than oppose each other. We may have many of the same bases with many of the same routes, but both airlines are operating a lot of routes on opposite days. Routes that do overlap on a particular day are creating two rather than one flight option for the consumer between city pairs. If it were to be creating 15-20 flights a day between city pairs like if two legacies airlines were to merge, then we’re talking about real overlap. In the case of Frontier and Spirit though, the “overlap” is showing a real benefit to the consumer and a benefit of having both airlines as a combined entity. I’m sure there’s definitely a reason why NK base openings are occurring with the timing that they are.

flyingpuma1 03-10-2022 12:22 PM

NK/F9 Merger Announced
 

Originally Posted by dualinput (Post 3386560)
Pilot domiciles do not equate to more or less overlap. It’s most likely not even a factor. We are putting pilots where we already have flying.


The reality is the govt will probably approve because, well money. But even though AA and USairways had little overlap they still didn’t like it

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...nd-us-airways/


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Excargodog 03-10-2022 12:29 PM


Originally Posted by flyingpuma1 (Post 3386609)
The reality is the govt will probably approve because well money. But even though AA and USairways hade less overlap they still didn’t like it

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...nd-us-airways/


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Yeah, but that was merging to form the largest airline in the country. A NK/F9 merge would still only be fifth largest.

TOGALOCK 03-10-2022 12:33 PM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3386612)
Yeah, but that was merging to form the largest airline in the country. A NK/F9 merge would still only be fifth largest.

And even as the fifth “largest” we will still be considerably smaller than the fourth largest.

dualinput 03-10-2022 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by flyingpuma1 (Post 3386609)
The reality is the govt will probably approve because, well money. But even though AA and USairways had little overlap they still didn’t like it

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...nd-us-airways/


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Adding a domicile has zero to do with any overlap is what I was saying. We are already doing the ATL flying.

Fah2 03-11-2022 08:44 PM

I, for one, am happy to know that Lizzie Warren, Bernie Sanders, and Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, all three well known to be versed in macroeconomics and experts in the aviation industry are leading five other house democrats in a campaign to pressure Mayor Pete Buttigeig and the justice department to torpedo this merger.

I was obviously wrong to have previously allowed myself to be swayed by disinformation into thinking it was a good idea. I can only express heartfelt gratitude that their courage, leadership, and conviction will triumph over the evils of capitalism.

My one regret is that I wasn’t able to vote for all three of them in the last election.

OpenClimb 03-12-2022 06:24 AM


Originally Posted by FahQ2 (Post 3387505)
I, for one, am happy to know that Lizzie Warren, Bernie Sanders, and Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, all three well known to be versed in macroeconomics and experts in the aviation industry are leading five other house democrats in a campaign to pressure Mayor Pete Buttigeig and the justice department to torpedo this merger.

I was obviously wrong to have previously allowed myself to be swayed by disinformation into thinking it was a good idea. I can only express heartfelt gratitude that their courage, leadership, and conviction will triumph over the evils of capitalism.

My one regret is that I wasn’t able to vote for all three of them in the last election.

Exactly. We need to trust the experts and should be greatful that our leaders are willing to risk their reputations by standing up for the rights of consumers everywhere! Absolute patriots.

dracir1 03-14-2022 10:31 AM


Originally Posted by OpenClimb (Post 3387626)
Exactly. We need to trust the experts and should be greatful that our leaders are willing to risk their reputations by standing up for the rights of consumers everywhere! Absolute patriots.

I can’t tell if you’ll are kidding or not - which makes for a great joke…

OpenClimb 03-14-2022 12:16 PM


Originally Posted by dracir1 (Post 3388623)
I can’t tell if you’ll are kidding or not - which makes for a great joke…

Yah. I’m joking. Sarcasm is my first language.

gatorbird 03-14-2022 04:13 PM


Originally Posted by OpenClimb (Post 3387626)
Exactly. We need to trust the experts and should be greatful that our leaders are willing to risk their reputations by standing up for the rights of consumers everywhere! Absolute patriots.

You spelled "my comrades" wrong


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