NK/F9 Merger Announced
02-10-2022 | 08:28 PM
#291
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QUESTION from an F9 guy. Does your training cadre (sim and line check airman) have their union LEC and is there language in your CBA addressing that? My old ALPA regional had such an LEC. I don’t have your current CBA handy anymore.
Edit: just found your FEB2018 Tentative Agreement. Reading Section 9 now. Looks like it’s all spelled out and is bargained by the union. That’s great we literally have a couple guys in standards and training that can’t get anywhere with the VP of Flt Ops to adjust our rates, which are close yours but we both trail the industry average. Our lack of language for training cadre is leftover from our FAPA (in-house union) days where we drew a line between our training and union guys, so the union never negotiated language in the contract for training staff.
Edit: just found your FEB2018 Tentative Agreement. Reading Section 9 now. Looks like it’s all spelled out and is bargained by the union. That’s great we literally have a couple guys in standards and training that can’t get anywhere with the VP of Flt Ops to adjust our rates, which are close yours but we both trail the industry average. Our lack of language for training cadre is leftover from our FAPA (in-house union) days where we drew a line between our training and union guys, so the union never negotiated language in the contract for training staff.
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02-10-2022 | 10:05 PM
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Seems like it got lost in the merger craziness, but more alignment between F9 and NK. NK joins the 1500 hour club with their “Spirt Direct” program with ATP, while F9 has been doing this with Purdue for a while. Legacies might be sucking up all the ULCC pilots but the ULCCs aren’t going to leave anything for the regionals. Looks like the race for flight school partnerships is on, I give regionals 12-18months left.
02-10-2022 | 10:20 PM
#293
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Seems like it got lost in the merger craziness, but more alignment between F9 and NK. NK joins the 1500 hour club with their “Spirt Direct” program with ATP, while F9 has been doing this with Purdue for a while. Legacies might be sucking up all the ULCC pilots but the ULCCs aren’t going to leave anything for the regionals. Looks like the race for flight school partnerships is on, I give regionals 12-18months left.
02-11-2022 | 02:49 AM
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02-11-2022 | 04:29 AM
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02-11-2022 | 04:30 AM
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QUESTION from an F9 guy. Does your training cadre (sim and line check airman) have their union LEC and is there language in your CBA addressing that? My old ALPA regional had such an LEC. I don’t have your current CBA handy anymore.
Edit: just found your FEB2018 Tentative Agreement. Reading Section 9 now. Looks like it’s all spelled out and is bargained by the union. That’s great we literally have a couple guys in standards and training that can’t get anywhere with the VP of Flt Ops to adjust our rates, which are close yours but we both trail the industry average. Our lack of language for training cadre is leftover from our FAPA (in-house union) days where we drew a line between our training and union guys, so the union never negotiated language in the contract for training staff.
Edit: just found your FEB2018 Tentative Agreement. Reading Section 9 now. Looks like it’s all spelled out and is bargained by the union. That’s great we literally have a couple guys in standards and training that can’t get anywhere with the VP of Flt Ops to adjust our rates, which are close yours but we both trail the industry average. Our lack of language for training cadre is leftover from our FAPA (in-house union) days where we drew a line between our training and union guys, so the union never negotiated language in the contract for training staff.
02-11-2022 | 04:32 AM
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You better not go over to the AA forum and try to spread that logic 😳😳
02-11-2022 | 04:34 AM
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They've both paid off a ton of debt and cleaned up the balance sheets. Both companies are healthy. It makes sense to do that when investors are expecting a loss alresdy and you get a tax break.
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02-11-2022 | 04:42 AM
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They paid the C suite literally tens of millions of dollars just for the work to make the deal happen and get it closed. Sorry if I don’t care where they get the money for us from. That’s their job. Our job is to go in and get what’s ours and to make it as big as possible. It’s not our job to rationalize if it’s possible. That their job.
02-11-2022 | 08:24 AM
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Seems like it got lost in the merger craziness, but more alignment between F9 and NK. NK joins the 1500 hour club with their “Spirt Direct” program with ATP, while F9 has been doing this with Purdue for a while. Legacies might be sucking up all the ULCC pilots but the ULCCs aren’t going to leave anything for the regionals. Looks like the race for flight school partnerships is on, I give regionals 12-18months left.
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