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Old 04-01-2022 | 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by afterburn81
Reading into the story, this aircraft is here in the states, for the purpose of demo and promotion.

It’s unlikely they are pitching the 220 to DL or JB. Can’t imagine SWA or Alaska is interested either. It would be hard to believe that Airbus isn’t attempting to sell their latest and greatest to one of their best customers. Haven’t done the numbers yet but the combined NK/F9 fleet may become one of the world’s largest narrow bus operators?
I think I read that it was going to begin a demo tour in Mexico and Central/South America. AeroMexico would be a natural choice given its ties to Delta and their purchasing power and maintenance support.

I believe Spirit already shut the door on the A220 in favor of the A319NEO but you never know….
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Old 08-20-2022 | 07:21 AM
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If this merger happens, I wonder what will happen to the A319NEO order? Maybe it’s time to order another 100 A220s….
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Old 08-20-2022 | 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by David Puddy
If this merger happens, I wonder what will happen to the A319NEO order? Maybe it’s time to order another 100 A220s….
Once again, the advantages of parts commonality might well trump whatever advantages would occur with the A220 aircraft, but then it also depends on what the plan is. NK has been largely point to point ULCC. Bigger might be better under the merger, and it would be fairly easy to convert 319NEO orders to 320 or even 321NEO orders at this stage. Clearly, one of the reasons B6 wanted to purchase NK was for their order book. The B6 320s are starting to be a little long in the tooth and mostly CEOs. Getting to jump the line on new 320 family NEOs would be a big help, even if they ultimately bought more 220s as well.




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Old 08-20-2022 | 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by David Puddy
If this merger happens, I wonder what will happen to the A319NEO order? Maybe it’s time to order another 100 A220s….
Oh look, the Bombardier sales rep is back again.

But seriously, the magic of the 220 isn't the range, payload, or technology, it's the fuel burn. Airbus numbers with RJ fuel burns. The problem is it's probably not worth starting a new fleet type just for that, and Boeing is practically giving MAX's away with similar or better numbers. That's why we gave the CS100/A220 a serious look at allegiant but then went with the Boeing.

Another notable issue is the training and maintenance. The C Series is an Airbus in name only. There's zero training or parts commonality with a real Airbus. May as well take a highly discounted MAX if you're in the market for a completely different fleet from what you already have. I think the only reason Delta has been successful with that jet is because they got them at a steep discount after the trade dispute, and used them to replace large RJs on long thin RJ routes. ULCCs don't have that kind of business model.
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Old 08-20-2022 | 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by David Puddy
If this merger happens, I wonder what will happen to the A319NEO order? Maybe it’s time to order another 100 A220s….
Internal pocket session from JB management to JB employees said NK is converting the 319NEO to 320NEOs.
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Old 08-20-2022 | 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by povertyeagle
Internal pocket session from JB management to JB employees said NK is converting the 319NEO to 320NEOs.
So for JB it would have been a 150 seater 319 or a 162 seater 320

Is the 12 extra seats worth it?
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Old 08-20-2022 | 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluetruth
So for JB it would have been a 150 seater 319 or a 162 seater 320

Is the 12 extra seats worth it?
The 319 isn't a 150 seat airplane in JB seating configuration. More like 132-138.
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Old 08-20-2022 | 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by povertyeagle
The 319 isn't a 150 seat airplane in JB seating configuration. More like 132-138.
Why in the world keep the 220 then? Dump it and go all airbus.
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Old 08-20-2022 | 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluetruth
Why in the world keep the 220 then? Dump it and go all airbus.
The A220 averages a burn of 1,400lbs less per hour than a 320NEO. At JB utilization levels it burns about 3,000 gallons less per plane, per day.
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Old 08-20-2022 | 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by povertyeagle
The A220 averages a burn of 1,400lbs less per hour than a 320NEO. At JB utilization levels it burns about 3,000 gallons less per plane, per day.
And the 319neo?
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