Sprontier, Please!
04-10-2022 | 11:01 AM
#111
That/It/Thang
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Under pure DOH merge
Median gain for JetBlue pilot is 6.82%, Median loss for Spirit Pilot is 10.4% - that is a 17.2% Spread
Extreme inequality - October 2011 DOH at both airlines, Spirit pilot loses 18% while JetBlue pilot gains 11.9% - Thats a 30% spread
2127 (73%) Spirit pilots lose more than 5%, while not a single one gains more than 2%
2865 (60%) JetBlue pilots gain more than 5%, while not a single one loses more than 1.1%
Whoa Nelly!
Read ALPA section 45 on SLI. It is specifically intended to not favor one group vs the other. I think the SLI will be much closer to relative seniority than DOH
Median gain for JetBlue pilot is 6.82%, Median loss for Spirit Pilot is 10.4% - that is a 17.2% Spread
Extreme inequality - October 2011 DOH at both airlines, Spirit pilot loses 18% while JetBlue pilot gains 11.9% - Thats a 30% spread
2127 (73%) Spirit pilots lose more than 5%, while not a single one gains more than 2%
2865 (60%) JetBlue pilots gain more than 5%, while not a single one loses more than 1.1%
Whoa Nelly!
Read ALPA section 45 on SLI. It is specifically intended to not favor one group vs the other. I think the SLI will be much closer to relative seniority than DOH
04-10-2022 | 12:05 PM
#112
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Apr 2007
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From: A319, A320, A321
Read the Alaska VA ISL decision he posted. Read the positions of 3 professional arbitrators on how all 3 criteria were weighed. DOH will never happen under an ALPA merger, neither will straight Rel Seniority. Because either one ignores the other 2 criteria. Its a good read, worth the 20 minutes of time.
04-10-2022 | 12:49 PM
#113
Line Holder
Joined: Sep 2014
Posts: 1,691
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From: 60’s Tech, Right
Under pure DOH merge
Median gain for JetBlue pilot is 6.82%, Median loss for Spirit Pilot is 10.4% - that is a 17.2% Spread
Extreme inequality - October 2011 DOH at both airlines, Spirit pilot loses 18% while JetBlue pilot gains 11.9% - Thats a 30% spread
2127 (73%) Spirit pilots lose more than 5%, while not a single one gains more than 2%
2865 (60%) JetBlue pilots gain more than 5%, while not a single one loses more than 1.1%
Whoa Nelly!
Read ALPA section 45 on SLI. It is specifically intended to not favor one group vs the other. I think the SLI will be much closer to relative seniority than DOH
Median gain for JetBlue pilot is 6.82%, Median loss for Spirit Pilot is 10.4% - that is a 17.2% Spread
Extreme inequality - October 2011 DOH at both airlines, Spirit pilot loses 18% while JetBlue pilot gains 11.9% - Thats a 30% spread
2127 (73%) Spirit pilots lose more than 5%, while not a single one gains more than 2%
2865 (60%) JetBlue pilots gain more than 5%, while not a single one loses more than 1.1%
Whoa Nelly!
Read ALPA section 45 on SLI. It is specifically intended to not favor one group vs the other. I think the SLI will be much closer to relative seniority than DOH
04-10-2022 | 01:09 PM
#114
Line Holder
Joined: Jan 2015
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Read the Alaska VA ISL decision he posted. Read the positions of 3 professional arbitrators on how all 3 criteria were weighed. DOH will never happen under an ALPA merger, neither will straight Rel Seniority. Because either one ignores the other 2 criteria. Its a good read, worth the 20 minutes of time.
04-10-2022 | 11:15 PM
#115
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jan 2014
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From: Yellow Bus
Just be ready. My friend at Alaska got hired in 2001. He is now junior to VA pilots that were hired in 2008, by 100s of numbers. It seems like arbitrators weigh more heavily towards relative seniority than DOH, especially since we all basically have the same career expectations.
why does DOH matter. If he’s same percentage. Nothings changed.
04-11-2022 | 05:22 AM
#118
On Reserve
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Both JB and NK have the same amount of future orders, obviously since NK is smaller theirs is bigger percentage growth....however....precedence per the VA/AS SLI below is they don't really look at future orders.
Unlike future fleet projections which may be too high, too low, or dead on, the size of the fleet on the snapshot date is ascertainable and definite. Using a static fleet analysis as of the snapshot date allows the Board to determine the impact of various formulas for merging the lists without reliance on speculative merger driven fleet size assumptions
Unlike future fleet projections which may be too high, too low, or dead on, the size of the fleet on the snapshot date is ascertainable and definite. Using a static fleet analysis as of the snapshot date allows the Board to determine the impact of various formulas for merging the lists without reliance on speculative merger driven fleet size assumptions
04-11-2022 | 05:36 AM
#119
Covfefe
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2-3 years on the 190 and 3.5-6 years on the 320. That’s held fairly steady, the exception being the LGB->LAX displacement bid during covid. But, through all the recent bids it’s mostly back there. Junior 190 CA awarded is Nov 2019 hire. He got awarded it back in august. Most junior awarded 320 CA is July 2017. Their training is I think in September or October.
04-11-2022 | 05:36 AM
#120
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