Spirit's Unrealistic Assumptions
05-18-2022 | 12:46 PM
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05-18-2022 | 12:48 PM
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You are so far off base. Honest question..is this your first time in a section 6 contract negotiation? There is a way to go about it, and using the airline that makes less than you and the airline that makes a little more than you as any baseline, isnt the way. Just as F9 would not use NK this time around as any baseline if/when they go into section 6, absent of a JCBA.
Our MEC/NC will NOT be going in with F9 or JBlu as any baseline when it comes to a starting baseline for wages. Baseline will be UALs new rates, and probably AA and DAL new rates, thats the baseline for A320 pilots as of 2022. The company can argue why that isnt the baseline to any NMB mediator, not us.
Our MEC/NC will NOT be going in with F9 or JBlu as any baseline when it comes to a starting baseline for wages. Baseline will be UALs new rates, and probably AA and DAL new rates, thats the baseline for A320 pilots as of 2022. The company can argue why that isnt the baseline to any NMB mediator, not us.
05-18-2022 | 12:48 PM
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From: Aircraft & Seat: old & hard
Starting point should include inflation correction (or cost of living or whatever Andy wants to call it) applied to all the rates since the amendable date for any contract we discuss in private. Forget the signing bo-n/g-us.
Last edited by symbian simian; 05-18-2022 at 01:00 PM.
05-18-2022 | 12:57 PM
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You are so far off base if thats even in your universe of a baseline . Honest question..is this your first time in a section 6 contract negotiation? There is a way to go about it, and using the airline that makes less than you and the airline that makes a little more than you as any baseline, isnt the way. Just as F9 would not use NK this time around as any baseline if/when they go into section 6, absent of a JCBA.
Our MEC/NC will NOT be going in with F9 or JBlu as any baseline when it comes to a starting baseline for wages. Baseline will be UALs new rates, and probably AA and DAL new rates, thats the baseline for A320 pilots as of 2022. The company can argue why that isnt the baseline to any NMB mediator, not us.
Our MEC/NC will NOT be going in with F9 or JBlu as any baseline when it comes to a starting baseline for wages. Baseline will be UALs new rates, and probably AA and DAL new rates, thats the baseline for A320 pilots as of 2022. The company can argue why that isnt the baseline to any NMB mediator, not us.
and to be clear I’m not saying you shouldn’t try to one up legacies…i am just trying to put some recent negotiating context into your post, which makes it seem like you think UAL+$1 is achievable for a ULCC and that your NC has that in the bag. That’s the point to which I’d say Ted/Biffle/Franke/whatever other puppet masters there are, won’t have any of that.
05-18-2022 | 01:05 PM
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Wait a second. Do you not remember last round of negotiations for F9/NK? Didn’t frontier and spirit both get new CBAs after UAL/AAL/DAL last round? Frontier pilots basically just got spirit wages. And Spirit went below everyone else who had negotiated before them while in an increasing wage, pilot’s market landscape. But for some reason you think you would start with Big 3 rates as your baseline this time around in section 6? Good luck with that.
When you negotiate a car do you go in and offer $1 less than sticker or $3000 less, so you have room to work? The NMB only requires your ask to be within the "zone of reasonableness"
Last go around SPA ALPA used legacy carriers are our peers and management used Frontier, Allegiant and Sun Country as our peers. Anyone with a brain realizes the end numbers will be somewhere in the middle.
05-18-2022 | 01:16 PM
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Wait a second. Do you not remember last round of negotiations for F9/NK? Didn’t frontier and spirit both get new CBAs after UAL/AAL/DAL last round? Frontier pilots basically just got spirit wages. And Spirit went below everyone else who had negotiated before them while in an increasing wage, pilot’s market landscape. But for some reason you think you would start with Big 3 rates as your baseline this time around in section 6? Good luck with that.
and to be clear I’m not saying you shouldn’t try to one up legacies…i am just trying to put some recent negotiating context into your post, which makes it seem like you think UAL+$1 is achievable for a ULCC and that your NC has that in the bag. That’s the point to which I’d say Ted/Biffle/Franke/whatever other puppet masters there are, won’t have any of that.
and to be clear I’m not saying you shouldn’t try to one up legacies…i am just trying to put some recent negotiating context into your post, which makes it seem like you think UAL+$1 is achievable for a ULCC and that your NC has that in the bag. That’s the point to which I’d say Ted/Biffle/Franke/whatever other puppet masters there are, won’t have any of that.
Last edited by fcoolaiddrinker; 05-18-2022 at 01:33 PM.
05-18-2022 | 04:39 PM
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this country and it’s euphemisms.
A traffic circle device=roundabout
preheat= Heat
Face Coverings= Mask
A medical center=Hospital
05-18-2022 | 05:44 PM
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