Spirit's Unrealistic Assumptions
05-18-2022 | 06:07 PM
#21
That/It/Thang
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05-18-2022 | 06:13 PM
#23
Gets Weekends Off
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From: 4A2FU
Wait a second. Do you not remember last round of negotiations for F9/NK? Didn’t frontier and spirit both get new CBAs after UAL/AAL/DAL last round? Frontier pilots basically just got spirit wages. And Spirit went below everyone else who had negotiated before them while in an increasing wage, pilot’s market landscape. But for some reason you think you would start with Big 3 rates as your baseline this time around in section 6? Good luck with that.
and to be clear I’m not saying you shouldn’t try to one up legacies…i am just trying to put some recent negotiating context into your post, which makes it seem like you think UAL+$1 is achievable for a ULCC and that your NC has that in the bag. That’s the point to which I’d say Ted/Biffle/Franke/whatever other puppet masters there are, won’t have any of that.
and to be clear I’m not saying you shouldn’t try to one up legacies…i am just trying to put some recent negotiating context into your post, which makes it seem like you think UAL+$1 is achievable for a ULCC and that your NC has that in the bag. That’s the point to which I’d say Ted/Biffle/Franke/whatever other puppet masters there are, won’t have any of that.
05-18-2022 | 06:24 PM
#24
In a land of unicorns
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From: Whale FO
05-18-2022 | 06:24 PM
#25
Covfefe
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Don’t worry. Once you get your blue indoctrination class you’ll learn blue speak:
employees = crewmembers
stews = inflight
pilots = flight ops
gate agents = airport operations (AO)
bag throwers = ground operations (GO)
Coach = core
business class = mint
profit sharing = blue math tricks that equal 0.0%, 0.2% on a good year.
CBA = this document that may or may not be honored
B6ALPA = this organization that you pay a lot of money to that may or may not have your back, depending on their own personal (and national’s) interests.
LOA = a document that you may or may not get a vote on that is likely codifying a giveaway of the above CBA document, but even if you get a vote, you’ll be part of the weakest/low expectation pilot group in the majors, so there’s a good chance you’re giving something away if it makes it to a vote.
welcome aboard if it happens!
employees = crewmembers
stews = inflight
pilots = flight ops
gate agents = airport operations (AO)
bag throwers = ground operations (GO)
Coach = core
business class = mint
profit sharing = blue math tricks that equal 0.0%, 0.2% on a good year.
CBA = this document that may or may not be honored
B6ALPA = this organization that you pay a lot of money to that may or may not have your back, depending on their own personal (and national’s) interests.
LOA = a document that you may or may not get a vote on that is likely codifying a giveaway of the above CBA document, but even if you get a vote, you’ll be part of the weakest/low expectation pilot group in the majors, so there’s a good chance you’re giving something away if it makes it to a vote.
welcome aboard if it happens!
05-18-2022 | 09:52 PM
#27
Gets Weekends Off
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05-19-2022 | 08:03 PM
#29
On Reserve
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No way this dude isn't a troll.... Although I did hear about a guy who wore his "blm" TM mask in the flight deck for an entire 4 day. The guy I was talking to still has no idea what he looks like.
Anyway, this thread is about management saying they don't plan on paying us. I'm confused about the context. Were they saying they don't plan on increasing our pay before a merger, which would make sense, or just in general?
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Anyway, this thread is about management saying they don't plan on paying us. I'm confused about the context. Were they saying they don't plan on increasing our pay before a merger, which would make sense, or just in general?
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05-19-2022 | 08:26 PM
#30
Perennial Reserve
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No way this dude isn't a troll.... Although I did hear about a guy who wore his "blm" TM mask in the flight deck for an entire 4 day. The guy I was talking to still has no idea what he looks like.
Anyway, this thread is about management saying they don't plan on paying us. I'm confused about the context. Were they saying they don't plan on increasing our pay before a merger, which would make sense, or just in general?
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Anyway, this thread is about management saying they don't plan on paying us. I'm confused about the context. Were they saying they don't plan on increasing our pay before a merger, which would make sense, or just in general?
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